Keyboard Skills: Key-binding as an alt option to current control format?

As I said before and I'll say it again to me d2 hot key>>>POE

but this really will come down to personal opinion I know I have a harder time aiming with POE then d2 (I don't really have a hard time with any skill but cleave so I usually have cleave on right mouse button)

For the people posting against this idea seriously stop and think why you're against an additional option there's seriously no reason to argue

As for an example why in my opinion d2 hot keys>>>POE

lets say I'm casting freezing pulse on my witch using RMB but then I start getting surrounded I can just hit f2 (one time) and keep holding down RMB to cast it and this example is a recent situation where I wished it was d2 style hot keys

In the end it'll either be superior to the way POE is setup (in which case it SHOULD be added) or the same (I see no reason why it would be inferior as you could just hold down RMB and hit your keyboard keys but if some reason it is inferior at least the people who want it can use it)

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jerg wrote:

Bring that logic to this discussion and it's clear why us diablofags prefer that control format.

Again, if enough people want that feature in the game, I hope they make it available as an option. In this quote you use the term prefer though, which actually makes sense. In other arguments you have been saying that it is just easier to click Q then right click than to just click Q. I don't think any argument can justify saying that doing 2 steps is easier than doing 1 step.

Now, just for fun, maybe they should follow the button click use to its logical conclusion? :)

Verbal argument won't suffice here, it seems. It's like arguing what is the best colour or something; all comes down to preference. Some of us feel more in-sync with the Diablo-style key-binding controls, and others prefer to use the newer controls.

It'd be great if this is made into an option (QWERT get bound to skills which are toggled to RMB, instead of being independent skills) without much or any UI graphical changes.

It will please the lot who like key-binding controls, and very likely others who never tried it before either.

(I will keep this thread bumped and see if more feedback / dev feedback can be heard)

With the current system, if you're holding down a keyboard key to attack, it makes it harder to use flasks at the same time - if I'm holding down R with my index finger I can't use my index finger to press 4 or 5. This gets even harder if you're also holding shift to stand still.

I'd like to be able to choose which key does what.

Some skills I would want to just cast when I press the key, like Blood Rage, and Enduring Cry, and Leap Slam.

Others I would want them swapped to the left mouse button, like Double Strike, Infernal Blow, and the default attack.

Still others I would want swapped to the right mouse button, like Sweep and Ground Slam.

So it would be good if you could configure what each key did.

If the D2-style swapping was added, we'd need access to more bindable hotkeys as well, since the number of available skills hotkeys would drop from 8 to 5 for people using only the swapping method.

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jerg wrote:

Some of us feel more in-sync with the Diablo-style key-binding controls, and others prefer to use the newer controls.

For a lot of people, the 'new' controls are not new, we've gotten used to them from years of WoW :) If I were transitioning straight from D2 to PoE I could definitely see it being disconcerting (even though I do prefer the WoW/PoE system after getting used to both it and D2).

Malice, you are the man! (again :])
btw why do you prefer leap slam cast on key press? :> It demands some aiming after all.

And yeah game would need more bindkeys available but there's some of them unused now (D,F), corpse targeting (A) could be binded to some other key (it's not used frequently you just setting it like you want and play).
It could be adjusted.
I got 12 skills binded to letter keys in D2 and it worked pretty well.

Some option to choose system (mapping/using) would be nice.
I'd love to see fans of current system in PVP.
It could be kinda amusing :>

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aimlessgun wrote:

For a lot of people, the 'new' controls are not new, we've gotten used to them from years of WoW :) If I were transitioning straight from D2 to PoE I could definitely see it being disconcerting (even though I do prefer the WoW/PoE system after getting used to both it and D2).

It may sound improbable but I've never played WoW and I've never encountered the PoE control layout before I got a beta key for PoE. I realize most people will have some experience with this new layout but for me it's confusing and bordering on downright annoying.

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Neutronstar wrote:

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aimlessgun wrote:

For a lot of people, the 'new' controls are not new, we've gotten used to them from years of WoW :) If I were transitioning straight from D2 to PoE I could definitely see it being disconcerting (even though I do prefer the WoW/PoE system after getting used to both it and D2).

It may sound improbable but I've never played WoW and I've never encountered the PoE control layout before I got a beta key for PoE. I realize most people will have some experience with this new layout but for me it's confusing and bordering on downright annoying.

if you've played torchlight it has the POE and diablo2 style hot keys which is where I got the first chance to directly compare the two styles

it took awhile for me to get use to POE style hot keys and even after getting use to it I still see it as inferior to diablo2 style hot keys (its just more of a pain to aim with and malice brings up a good point with potions)

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BurnThrew wrote:

its just more of a pain to aim [with instant activation instead of switching]

Another nonsensical argument.




Meh, if people necessarily want to stick with their old and outdated habits which have few to no advantages over the new system, let them have that option.

Old habits die way too hard, people hate change, even when it's for the better.

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dopefish wrote:

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BurnThrew wrote:

its just more of a pain to aim [with instant activation instead of switching]

Another nonsensical argument.




Meh, if people necessarily want to stick with their old and outdated habits which have few to no advantages over the new system, let them have that option.

Old habits die way too hard, people hate change, even when it's for the better.

You know what, all your arguments this whole thread has been to blatantly discredit others' opinions, because "oh blah blah this system is outdated, EVERY NEW GAME (only Torchlight, maybe WoW) uses the PoE system therefore it's better!"

Your argument is nonsensical and repetitive.

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Malice wrote:

With the current system, if you're holding down a keyboard key to attack, it makes it harder to use flasks at the same time - if I'm holding down R with my index finger I can't use my index finger to press 4 or 5. This gets even harder if you're also holding shift to stand still.

I'd like to be able to choose which key does what.

Some skills I would want to just cast when I press the key, like Blood Rage, and Enduring Cry, and Leap Slam.

Others I would want them swapped to the left mouse button, like Double Strike, Infernal Blow, and the default attack.

Still others I would want swapped to the right mouse button, like Sweep and Ground Slam.

So it would be good if you could configure what each key did.

If the D2-style swapping was added, we'd need access to more bindable hotkeys as well, since the number of available skills hotkeys would drop from 8 to 5 for people using only the swapping method.

Interesting; combining the two control formats? Right now I don't think there are enough skills to warrant the need for that however when the 30 skills are boosted to 100+ skills by GGG's future updates, it might be needed.

Nevertheless, I think the skills you stated which you still want to cast via key-tapping would be just as viable via mouse activation. It would just be a matter of quickly doing a (bound key + rmb) before switching back to other skills.