Looting -- The official thread for discussing the loot system. Updated 18th March, 2013.

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XForsakenX wrote:

Sigh... sorry just not worth my time I added my 1 and 1/2 cents...

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Have fun.

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Xaxyx wrote:

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XForsakenX wrote:

Sigh... sorry just not worth my time I added my 1 and 1/2 cents...

And that's about what it was worth, too, by coincidence.

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Have fun.

See you next time!

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Ten_of_Swords wrote:

What I would ask people pushing for these options is “do you TRY and get loot while you’re fighting in a group?”

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thepmrc wrote:

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Ten_of_Swords wrote:

But now, the timers will be extended to such a degree that there is no ‘loot tension’ at all? Granted, it’s a ‘option’ but there is no reason to believe that all public games won’t use it.

I am willing to bet there will be plenty of full FFA public games. If you don't believe so then you obviously understand that the MAJORITY of players don't want loot tension, in which case this is a very SMART decision by GGG as they can retain this majority while also enabling TRUE FFA looting at the same time! This is purely a win win.

There are typically several 'FFA / Ninjas welcome' type games going all the time, granted not as many as 'no ninjas', however with true FFA enable as an option what makes you think that people would stop making/playing in FFA public games? You have already said how much the pace of play slows down with long loot timers, if the pace of play is slower this means less overall loot so one would imagine that the FFA players are at a loot advantage overall. Slowing down the pace of the game does not change how hard monsters hit, it does not change monster HP, or pack density. It IN NO TANGIBLE WAY makes the game easier. There are NO negatives to loot options. None.

Overall your arguments against loot options are insubstantial, and if you actually enjoyed true FFA looting you would be happy that you can finally PLAY FFA!!!! I don't mind FFA, I don't mind instanced, I DESPISE the compromised system. It brings out the worst in players and is much worse overall than either FFA or true instanced. In either pure system you don't get the entitlement issues that come with the bastardized partially allocated / partially FFA non-sense.

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EgypZee wrote:

I like the FFA environment quite a bit too actually, but I don't think its going to be very popular., its extra hassle and soooo many people coming from D3... I'm hoping the throw in a decent mf bonus for ffa groups at least, otherwise I'll probably avoid it. as it is I lose plenty of items, in real FFA games I'll get eaten alive if I dont have like 50% movespeed.

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Xaxyx wrote:

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EgypZee wrote:

I like the FFA environment quite a bit too actually, but I don't think its going to be very popular., its extra hassle and soooo many people coming from D3... I'm hoping the throw in a decent mf bonus for ffa groups at least, otherwise I'll probably avoid it. as it is I lose plenty of items, in real FFA games I'll get eaten alive if I dont have like 50% movespeed.

There's no logical distinction between giving FFA players a loot bonus, and giving non-FFA players a loot penalty. Would it seem to make sense to you to penalize players for not wanting to play with loot ninjas?

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EgypZee wrote:

the devs seem to think the games better with loot tension and I agree its more fun, and its easy to argue that ffa is harder because you have to compete for loot while your fighting.

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I hate the loot system in d3, but I would play it if everyone else was or if its safer.
just my opinion. don't taze me bro

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mibuwolf wrote:

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Sorry you feel that way. I suppose you don't view it like I do then. GGG made the changes not because they were forced at gunpoint, but because they felt it was a necessary change. Perhaps deep down they wanted FFA to return, but realized it would not be a pleasant change(1*) unless the player had the ability to "opt out". I agree with the previous statement.

I came to the realization that a forced playstyle(2*) is not good game design. No matter how I see it, a lot of people would be disgusted with whatever loot system GGG enforces, not because the loot system is bad, but because it is enforced upon. I could bring up other examples if necessary of enforced game design that fails, but this will do for now.

Note (1*): GGG most likely wants FFA to return *because they enjoyed it*, but we all know it was removed (modified?) and for good reasons as well. If it ever was forced upon again, the same complaints would surface.

Note (2*): In some games it works out, but you have to tread carefully. Some games have designs similar to path of exile where you can make multiple classes, or have many different build types, yet some games will sort of force you to want to create a character a specific way. You can almost see this in how many people will roll a high hp bow marauder or ranger. People do this because the game enforces you to play safe, and less risky (ie. a glass cannon dps build).

TL;DR - GGG still is in control of how this game is being designed. Listening to player feedback and making decision based on the feedback is once again something GGG is in control of. If you do not approve of their decisions, then it makes me wonder if you really liked the team in the first place. If you don't like their change in regards to looting, then that's cool, but it shouldn't deter you from enjoying this great game.