Looting -- The official thread for discussing the loot system. Updated 18th March, 2013.
These so-called "hardcore" ffa-lovers have put in quite a show lately with their butthurt feelings now that the dev team naturally decided to add loot-options, its just hilarious ;)
I mean, can they be more pathetic? I guess so!
Just read the first guy post, tenswoards, he is trying to blackmail ggg financially with that 1k that he put behind;
And the second, treamorLace dude, he is trying to blackmail ggg emotionally ;) just read his long and totally utter crap ramblings, its really hard to believe until you read it!
And the third, whodu, he is just rambling non-sense like a totally derailed individual.
You guys are all beyond pathetic, can't you see it? it's crystal clear dudes, open your eyes and get yourself out of this shameful situation that you put yourself in!
Lol, and they call themselves "hardcore" players ;) yeah, right, comedy at its best ;)
At least props to slayer who was really happy he could now play pure ffa and accept the dev's decision ... and didn't go to the shithole that these three got in ;)
You guys are finding new limits and new boundaries of being pathetic.
Last edited by mobutu#5362 on Apr 24, 2013, 7:50:58 AM
I'm glad you are still reading guys (GGG). This is a direct message to you, in this thread, as it pertains to loot. Semi-long.
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Personally, I have no argument to give, only my feelings regarding the knowledge that loot options are coming (via development manifesto). Which has everything to do with this thread.
Simply put, I feel you (GGG) have buckled to something that goes against what you wanted to do with the game. Chris himself says you guys are ninjas. You love FFA. Krip Q&A from last year when this question came up if you are wondering where he said this.
On the Overview page, this is what it says,
"Path of Exile is an online Action RPG set in the dark fantasy world of Wraeclast. We're a small independent team of hardcore gamers based in New Zealand and have created Path of Exile as the game that we'd want to play ourselves. It is designed around a strong barter-based online item economy, deep character customisation, competitive PvP and ladder races. The game is completely free and will never be "pay to win". Path of Exile is currently in Open Beta!"
Now, while it doesn't mention loot, it does mention that you want to make a game you yourselves want to play. Yet, you are betraying this by offering loot options.
When it comes to this game, I recently read a post that made the most amazing observation I've seen:
"When will everyone realize that this game wasn't made for the majority. It was made for the minority." Paraphrased, but it's what was said.
I back this statement up with what you yourselves said. You are hardcore players and are making the game you would want to play. This means there is no game for you to play that's like this. And this shows that a game like this is not wanted by a majority of players because if it were, it would likely be monopolized by now and exist.
As you also said, this game was made for the hardcore. Hardcore is minority as well. I'm not going to bother defining hardcore, as it's unnecessary for this post.
I've said all this to try and have other people (and you) understand my position in saying what I'm about to say. Context, if you will.
If I were to want to buy something from you (I do), it would be because, A. I want whatever I buy, and B. I want to support you.
B is more important. Far more important to me, explicitly. However, I have less of a reason to support you now. Essentially, this is what I'm thinking:
"I want to throw money at them, because I like what they are making. However, this shows if they are pushed enough by enough people, they will betray their vision. The thing I want to see be real. The very reason I will give them my money. So, why give it to them, if I can't be certain it will be used as I had hoped it would."
I understand that you will alienate someone by making this hard decision. Whether it be many people with FFA, or few people like me with options, but a choice must be made.
The thing is that I feel like I should be the one who isn't alienated because I consider myself to be your target audience. I am a hardcore player. I love everything about this game that makes it difficult, challenging, complex, etc etc. I spend as much time as I can afford playing it. I'm not very good, but I don't think that factors into this.
That's my view on it, and pretty much how I feel about it. I'd rather loot options not be in the game, or at the very least, be separated entirely by League so I would never be affected by it in Hardcore (or Cut Throat, when it's here).
I may be in the minority, but that actually should be a good thing for this. And I'm feeling like it's not, which is the problem.
If you read all of it (and I'm fairly certain you will), thank you. I hope to be following the Path of the Exile for years to come, but I don't know if I should bother if I can't trust you to do what you say you want to do.
pathetic attempt. it doesn't even mention loot. stop trying to play this card.
real FFA will finally be here, and so will another option. anyone who can complain right now is warped.
thank you so much ggg, being able to play zero timer ffa that isnt forced upon me is what im most excited about. thats real "hardcore"
You assume I care at all if you respond back or even read it. If I have something to say then I will.
If your message is to GGG only then send a PM or an e-mail.
You asked me direct questions in your post which I skimmed. :| And as I said, that's fine, if you wish to say something, you may. I just wanted you to know I wouldn't be reading it if you cared, which I assumed you did since you asked direct questions.
My message matters for everyone. If they see my reasoning and agree with it, they could change their mind or at least understand why I say what I do. Their input on what I say won't change much for me as everything I say is based on things about me or GGG, and not anything else.
They're free to give input on what I say, but as I said to you, I want them to realize it won't change much for me.
I wouldn't dream of changing you. Just giving the counter opinion as I have done a long time in this thread. I didn't really think you would answer my questions. Consider them rhetorical.
You admit that your post was a message to everyone so it wasn't only a message to GGG.
I wouldn't dream of changing you. Just giving the counter opinion as I have done a long time in this thread. I didn't really think you would answer my questions. Consider them rhetorical.
You admit that your post was a message to everyone so it wasn't only a message to GGG.
You seem to be trying to get me to be "wrong" about something.
I explicitly said that the message was directed at GGG. I didn't say it was explicitly and only for them.
I can direct a Freezing pulse at one mob and let others be caught in it's wake/clipped by it's edges.
but I don't know if I should bother if I can't trust you to do what you say you want to do.
Sorry you feel that way. I suppose you don't view it like I do then. GGG made the changes not because they were forced at gunpoint, but because they felt it was a necessary change. Perhaps deep down they wanted FFA to return, but realized it would not be a pleasant change(1*) unless the player had the ability to "opt out". I agree with the previous statement.
I came to the realization that a forced playstyle(2*) is not good game design. No matter how I see it, a lot of people would be disgusted with whatever loot system GGG enforces, not because the loot system is bad, but because it is enforced upon. I could bring up other examples if necessary of enforced game design that fails, but this will do for now.
Note (1*): GGG most likely wants FFA to return *because they enjoyed it*, but we all know it was removed (modified?) and for good reasons as well. If it ever was forced upon again, the same complaints would surface.
Note (2*): In some games it works out, but you have to tread carefully. Some games have designs similar to path of exile where you can make multiple classes, or have many different build types, yet some games will sort of force you to want to create a character a specific way. You can almost see this in how many people will roll a high hp bow marauder or ranger. People do this because the game enforces you to play safe, and less risky (ie. a glass cannon dps build).
TL;DR - GGG still is in control of how this game is being designed. Listening to player feedback and making decision based on the feedback is once again something GGG is in control of. If you do not approve of their decisions, then it makes me wonder if you really liked the team in the first place. If you don't like their change in regards to looting, then that's cool, but it shouldn't deter you from enjoying this great game.
IGN: Mibuwolf
Last edited by mibuwolf#7946 on Apr 24, 2013, 10:45:22 AM
These so-called "hardcore" ffa-lovers have put in quite a show lately with their butthurt feelings now that the dev team naturally decided to add loot-options, its just hilarious ;)
I mean, can they be more pathetic? I guess so!
Just read the first guy post, tenswoards, he is trying to blackmail ggg financially with that 1k that he put behind;
You are accusing me of something illegal and I am not very happy about that.
I supported GGG in making PoE, when I did; I also told them that my support was unconditional. I have had several conversations with staff at GGG, on this and other topics so please don’t assume to know things you do not.
That $1000 of support means much less then you think, I am not treated any different than other customers with the exception of the newsletter.
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Chris wrote:
- It's important that the time is low enough that the player can only get the item if they are paying attention and make an effort to immediately grab it.
- The allocation times can be lower or non-existent in hardcore or cut-throat leagues.
I think this is actually important too, and I see this ‘no tension’ option being available in all areas of the game as a direct contradiction of these statements.
Remember this disclaimer is on the first paragraph of the Development Manifesto:
The ideas mentioned here are merely our current line of thinking on these topics. They are undergoing substantially more design and testing before getting onto Beta.
