Looting -- The official thread for discussing the loot system. Updated 18th March, 2013.

I only read 10 lines from your post, Xaxyx, but im pretty sure you just raped everyone in this thread.

Hi all, just wanted to support to Xaxyx's post.

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Xaxyx wrote:

Argument #4: It will ruin the feel of the game this game was known for.

Sacred cows make great steaks..!
Vast numbers of potential players don't care what "this game was known for", they care about what it is and where it's going.

There are parallels in all this to the changing attitudes of "hardcore" Metallica fans over the years:
Interviewer: How do you respond to your hardcore fans saying you've "sold out" ?
Lars (drummer): Damn right we're selling out - every arena across the country!


i.e. every fan is equally important, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, etc.

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Xaxyx wrote:

Argument #5: Game is designed for the elite, the hardcore, ...
Response: There's nothing "elite" or "hardcore" about stealing exalted orbs from newbies.

Argument #6: Game is cutthroat. FFA is needed because...
Response: There's nothing at all cutthroat about this game. Players cannot attack each other directly. Players cannot steal items from one another's inventories or stashes. Players cannot loot one another's corpses. Players are never competing for experience points, quest rewards, or progression in any capacity whatsoever. No player can ever destroy what another player has created. Even trading is, at long last, secure.

Pretty unassailable logic here.
True competitors want the challenge of the competition, the chance to test themselves and push their limits. Do you think Michael Jordan gets much satisfaction out of beating elementary school kids at basketball?
Beating up on newbs is narcissism.

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Xaxyx wrote:

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Vooodu wrote:

FFA does not cater to greed, does not encourage bullying and does not enable anti-social behavior. Thats a load of crap.

FFA does, in fact, cater to greed, encourage bullying and enable anti-social behavior. That's the simple fact of the matter.

A simple 'fact of a matter' that only exists in your world and other like minded players. Which is what something like 'loot' options does, caters to these mind sets.

People who get bullied over 'loot' in a game allow themselves to be bullied, mentally. Since i know a crap ton of people that don't have this issue you claim. Which pretty much proves me right.

People who are greedy only care when they themselves are even more greedy. Pretty much proven easily since i always share, even with strangers even tho i don't have too. And i always meet others who are the same.

And anti-social behavior in an ARPG is a choice. Proof? Join a public.... Taaa Daaaa.


From D2 to POE... The proof is in the games and the players. NO matter how much you hate it.



Loot options only help deal with players that have extreme control issues and entitlement issues. People have complained about when, how, where and who when it come to drops.


Anyways, This thread is pointless now. And i guess i should just take my own advice and deal with. Lame loot options... Yaaaaay!




Peace everyone. NO hard feelin's It was was fun :D

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Vooodu wrote:

A simple 'fact of a matter' that only exists in your world and other like minded players. Which is what something like 'loot' options does, caters to these mind sets.

And apparently, there are enough of these "like-minded players" -- players who want to enjoy the game, rather than be abused -- that the devs have decided to give us the option to avoid dealing with bullies like you.

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People who get bullied over 'loot' in a game allow themselves to be bullied, mentally. Since i know a crap ton of people that don't have this issue you claim. Which pretty much proves me right.

Thus it is again demonstrated: bullies *blame the victim*. One couldn't ask for a better poster child.

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People who are greedy only care when they themselves are even more greedy. Pretty much proven easily since i always share, even with strangers even tho i don't have too. And i always meet others who are the same.

"I'm not greedy -- look how generous I am!" "I'm not a bully -- look how nice I am!" Truly generous, compassionate people don't have to go out of their way to prove it.

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And anti-social behavior in an ARPG is a choice. Proof? Join a public.... Taaa Daaaa.

All behavior is a choice, Vooodu. But one can learn to control one's behavior -- if one gives a rat's ass about other players and their game experience.

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From D2 to POE... The proof is in the games and the players. NO matter how much you hate it.

Therein we agree. But that doesn't mean we have to cater to greed and enable bullying. Luckily, the devs agree, which is why we'll be seeing changes to the game that allow players to enjoy this otherwise excellent game without having to risk having their fun spoiled.

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Loot options only help deal with players that have extreme control issues and entitlement issues. People have complained about when, how, where and who when it come to drops.

I agree: loot options do help deal with players that have extreme control issues and entitlement issues. Those players are the *bullies*, the ones who feel that they have the right and privilege to stomp on other players to take what they want. Now that the game is being changed for the better, it is those players -- players like you -- who are complaining.

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Anyways, This thread is pointless now. And i guess i should just take my own advice and deal with. Lame loot options... Yaaaaay!

This thread has been of paramount importance. You know this, as evidenced by the consistency by which you post to it, devote your time and effort to it. And you've done more to win our cause than the rest of us combined. You're not quitting on us now, are you? How will we stumble along without you?

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Peace everyone. NO hard feelin's It was was fun :D

Until the next time. Your post will start with something like, "I know I said I'd quit, but I read something and I just *HAD* to post again..."

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Xaxyx wrote:

Thus it is again demonstrated: bullies *blame the victim*. One couldn't ask for a better poster child.

Its a VIDEO GAME.... How do you let yourself be BULLIED over drops?


What? Everytime you miss a drop do you slap yourself silly?



....Seriously, when it comes to you, one couldn't ask for a better poster child for "MENTAL ISSUES".


Keep going man. Keep on keepin' on. Peace out biaaaatch.

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Vooodu wrote:

Its a VIDEO GAME.... How do you let yourself be BULLIED over drops?

It's just lunch... How do you let yourself be bullied over lunch money?

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What? Everytime you miss a drop do you slap yourself silly?

Your utter lack of capacity for compassion speaks directly toward the mentality of the stereotypical bully.

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....Seriously, when it comes to you, one couldn't ask for a better poster child for "MENTAL ISSUES".

Anti-social personality disorder -- the characteristics of which you've been repeatedly demonstrated to possess in spades -- can be addressed with time, therapy, and medication. Ask your doctor for details.

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Keep going man. Keep on keepin' on. Peace out biaaaatch.

See you next time!

I liked the part where Vooodu attempted to counter each of the points listed in the last couple pages... oh wait. This outcome was expected however. Well, if anything comes up again I'll just refer back to page 927 I guess.

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Xaxyx wrote:

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Vooodu wrote:

Its a VIDEO GAME.... How do you let yourself be BULLIED over drops?

It's just lunch... How do you let yourself be bullied over lunch money?

Your utter lack of capacity for compassion speaks directly toward the mentality of the stereotypical bully.

...Mental issues. Like i said. Which you clearly have.


You can't get bullied in a video game. As if comparing it to getting bullied over lunch money makes any sense.


Difference being, when people Bully you over 'LUNCH MONEY" they usually use violence as a way to get what they want.


Are you telling me that people are comming over to you house and theatening to beat the snot out of you unless you give up the 'drop'?

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mibuwolf wrote:

Well, if anything comes up again I'll just refer back to page 927 I guess.

Doesn't matter. Its all a load of mindless, pointless crap. Seriously.


GGG only gave into loot options to shut all the babies up. No matter how smart you want to sound. Its all bitchy ala bitchness with a lake full of tears that got what you want.

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Vooodu wrote:

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mibuwolf wrote:

Well, if anything comes up again I'll just refer back to page 927 I guess.

Doesn't matter. Its all a load of mindless, pointless crap. Seriously.


GGG only gave into loot options to shut all the babies up. No matter how smart you want to sound. Its all bitchy ala bitchness with a lake full of tears that got what you want.

can we just let this thread die now?