Looting -- The official thread for discussing the loot system. Updated 18th March, 2013.

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Jackel6672 wrote:

What your saying is "Loot tension is a hurdle you have to jump, which is easier as you make new friends" right? Basically, as you make new friends in the game the game becomes easier?

Your white list is your friends list. If you don't use it, you will play solo since you cannot understand that not everyone has the same agenda as you. New players will meet other new players and make friends. Groups of friends will join pub games and make more friends. This is how these games work. If they don't make friends, they will not add them to their friends list, thus making it harder for said bad people to join games made by people with friends. Slowing their overall progress and making the game more challenging to them.

You can't change a large aspect of a game for a few people per capita that are just out to make your day full of crap.

Its a social aspect of the game, and not a programming one.

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Thalandor wrote:

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Dinin wrote:

The only real thing loot tension does is scare away new players, while older and experienced players just use ways to get around it.

This is it, nailed it.

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Jackel6672 wrote:

Your white list is your friends list. If you don't use it, you will play solo since you cannot understand that not everyone has the same agenda as you. New players will meet other new players and make friends. Groups of friends will join pub games and make more friends. This is how these games work. If they don't make friends, they will not add them to their friends list, thus making it harder for said bad people to join games made by people with friends. Slowing their overall progress and making the game more challenging to them.

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iamstryker wrote:

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Jackel6672 wrote:

Your white list is your friends list. If you don't use it, you will play solo since you cannot understand that not everyone has the same agenda as you. New players will meet other new players and make friends. Groups of friends will join pub games and make more friends. This is how these games work. If they don't make friends, they will not add them to their friends list, thus making it harder for said bad people to join games made by people with friends. Slowing their overall progress and making the game more challenging to them.

What I am hearing you say is...

Public games = An unfun experience that you deal with by getting friends as fast as possible to enjoy private games with.

I disagree that this is ok. Public games should be a great experience by itself. It should be a fun alternative to playing the game with your close friends.

You appear to agree with the idea that you should only be able to enjoy the game with people that have the same agenda as you. What agenda are you talking about? Shouldn't we all have the same agenda? To collect loot and get powerful? I am willing to bet that slaying monsters is a common goal by the vast majority of the player base.

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Jackel6672 wrote:

1. That is where you and a lot of other players differ. As another poster said, its torture to the herd of 15 year olds that will flood this game come OB.

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Jackel6672 wrote:

3. The core of that paragraph was that us, the players, are responsible for maintaining lists if we so choose. Until they decide to implement there own system that basically segregates their own customers into a list of good and bad, its up to us. Since it has not already been done, chances are a lot of people feel a friends list works well enough.

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Xaxyx wrote:

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Aixius wrote:

Of course, there's no harm in asking for changes - this is a beta after all - but there seems to be much frustration with GGG because some players feel they're being ignored, yet the reason we haven't seen changes has nothing to do with that: the devs are just happy with the game as-is.

Watching the replay, and... yep! He's over the line! Whether or not the devs are "just happy with the game as-is" is only for GGG to say -- and could change at any given moment. But what I CAN say, what I KNOW to be true, is that GGG is capable of using player feedback in their decision-making process. Wielding this knowledge, I am resolute in my intention to continue to provide my feedback. Perhaps they'll listen to me. Perhaps they're all secretly laughing at me. I don't know. But I'm-a gonna keep at it, stubborn fool that I am.

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lethal_papercut wrote:

I recently PM'd Chris asking him to speak on the subject, there is nothing personal in there so I think it is ok to post it publicly.

"We're pretty happy with how it works at the moment. There is great tension around item drops in multiplayer, but people are still able to grab ones that are allocated to them if they're paying attention."

"We're currently at record levels of party engagement in the game, and we're very pleased with how well that's doing considering the game is designed around being played solo.

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iamstryker wrote:

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Jackel6672 wrote:

Your white list is your friends list. If you don't use it, you will play solo since you cannot understand that not everyone has the same agenda as you. New players will meet other new players and make friends. Groups of friends will join pub games and make more friends. This is how these games work. If they don't make friends, they will not add them to their friends list, thus making it harder for said bad people to join games made by people with friends. Slowing their overall progress and making the game more challenging to them.

What I am hearing you say is...

Public games = An unfun experience that you deal with by getting friends as fast as possible to enjoy private games with.

I disagree that this is ok. Public games should be a great experience by itself. It should be a fun alternative to playing the game with your close friends.

You appear to agree with the idea that you should only be able to enjoy the game with people that have the same agenda as you. What agenda are you talking about? Shouldn't we all have the same agenda? To collect loot and get powerful? I am willing to bet that slaying monsters is a common goal by the vast majority of the player base.

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iamstryker wrote:

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Jackel6672 wrote:

1. That is where you and a lot of other players differ. As another poster said, its torture to the herd of 15 year olds that will flood this game come OB.

Then an option to hide those items from sight via an instanced type system would be a nice addition for said players.

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Jackel6672 wrote:

3. The core of that paragraph was that us, the players, are responsible for maintaining lists if we so choose. Until they decide to implement there own system that basically segregates their own customers into a list of good and bad, its up to us. Since it has not already been done, chances are a lot of people feel a friends list works well enough.

This discussion isn't about making friends and never was. Though it keeps being brought up over and over and over.

I am of the opinion that no player should be put on a "bad" List for simply doing what the devs intended which is compete over the loot.

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Dinin wrote:

The only real thing loot tension does is scare away new players, while older and experienced players just use ways to get around it.

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Jackel6672 wrote:

Playing games is sometimes about leaving your comfort zone and enjoying doing something different.

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Jackel6672 wrote:

I swear you guys join public games expecting it to be terrible. You go in dreading that guy is going to steal your 3 socket armor that dropped off screen. Then when it happens, which it will happen since its the premise of the game, you go "AH HAH, I knew public games are crap!" and go play solo.

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Jackel6672 wrote:

That's exactly how to not have fun playing this game. Playing games is sometimes about leaving your comfort zone and enjoying doing something different. This game is, and will be different then most games due to the timer and skill system.