This a Bot

I remember reading the thread that this problem was initially brought up in (was it in global chat? could of sworn there was a thread on the forum about it.) Someone said that this recipe could be abused and someone else mentioned that it was probably possible to make a bot to abuse it. I find it hard to blame TehHammer for doing just that, GGG should of fixed it by now anyway. Then again it is only beta, so I guess it's okay if this had a lower priority then other things.

It doesn't make sense to accuse TehHammer for not mentioning it though, it was already mentioned awhile ago.

Hate to jump on the badwagon here really, but i cant sit here and ignore the material i read in this thread..disgraceful, heres a guy "remotecontrolled" that i too did notice in ruthless running back and forth from vendor to stash about 100 times thinking wow this guys got a ton of stash tabs.... I will gladly admit i am not as smart and keen as some of you in the computer/programming/overall knowledge department, but i am smart enough to realize that your just posting your breakthrough exploitation in full detail, which you took full advantage of because yes, you are smarter and more knowledgable in the appropriate department, but because you have been had.

Thats a lot of 5link bows by the way..oh and that chaos orb that u were complaining about that was looted from you during chaos runs by some random i have..i know this thread really has nothing to do with chaos runs but it embelishes your greed flawed personality and character, even more so that you would bitch about every orb that was looted while having a path at an exponential loot growth eploit, which is looking quite juicy im sure.

GGG plz find a way to either condense the possible boundaries of finding linked items through vendors or asses appropriate action to the exploiters themselves, what else can be done really..love the game btw just incase that wasnt evident

Funny how you explain in detail how you did this only after you're caught that's f*king hilarious. Hey at least we all know who to look at come open beta and people are botting right?

Seriously though, saying it was a known issue so who cares if he exploited it?? Really? What if everyone in closed beta was doing it. Or even more realistically what if a handful of people were doing this every day and didn't get caught? Well what you'd see is an influx of 5l 6l items that are in demand like thickets enter the economy at the price of....nothing. Some guy going to work letting his bot find them?

The purpose of closed beta is to test things, one of which being the economy and rarity of these items that would become too common if this was let gone on for too long. This guy isnt helping the situation, in fact it's people like this created pindlebots in d2 and the like. People that end up ruining perfectly good games because of their own greed.

If there isnt anything in the terms of use that prohibits this kind of behaviour, or if you guys even have an official terms of use statement im not sure, but I think something should be done promply to prevent others from exploiting this, and some kind of ban or warning should be issued.

Edit: I've just been told by someone I won't name here that they've known this was going on for about 3 weeks. Im willing to bet all those 5 links that were only a very small amount of the ones that were traded. Not to mention all the jeweler orbs collected illegitamately.

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Chris wrote:

My current thinking is that while it's likely we will have a zero-tolerance policy to any form of clientside modification (and will ban instantly for it), if we leave the game exploitable by simple tools such as AutoIt then we deserve all the problems that happen...

Can you replace "zero-tolerance" with "do it once to prove it can be done, let us know immediately so we can fix it, and we'll give you an internet high-five and not punish you"?

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TehHammer wrote:

Also, you'll notice that my "OldManWithABow" character has been renamed to "OldManWithABot", thanks Chris. :p

This is genious. Got to love the PoE dev's sense of humor. :D


And by the way he is doing everyone a favor demonstrating how things can be exploited/broken.

Nothing created by such means will stay into open beta. Nothing will.

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Chris wrote:

My current thinking is that while it's likely we will have a zero-tolerance policy to any form of clientside modification (and will ban instantly for it), if we leave the game exploitable by simple tools such as AutoIt then we deserve all the problems that happen...

Once again Chris shows how awesome he and his team are.
"OldManWithABot" is pretty harmless, I lol'd.

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Dreggon wrote:

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Chris wrote:

My current thinking is that while it's likely we will have a zero-tolerance policy to any form of clientside modification (and will ban instantly for it), if we leave the game exploitable by simple tools such as AutoIt then we deserve all the problems that happen...

Can you replace "zero-tolerance" with "do it once to prove it can be done, let us know immediately so we can fix it, and we'll give you an internet high-five and not punish you"?

I've actually seen what this type of policy does. It's not a good idea to allow ANY form of misadventure, else many players will take advantage of it and use the policy to justify attempting to hack it.

Typically then if they fail, they claim no harm no foul.. if they succeed, most of them won't say anything and will just abuse whatever they found.

No doubt every case will be looked at on a case by case basis, but most decent hackers are by default good theorycrafters, and could PM the Devs ahead of time warning them that particular exploits might be possible.

Very few successful hackers build the hack first, then think about how it would be applied :P

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zeto wrote:

No doubt every case will be looked at on a case by case basis, but most decent hackers are by default good theorycrafters, and could PM the Devs ahead of time warning them that particular exploits might be possible.

Usually, a hacker with good intentions (a counter-hacker, perhaps) would theorycraft something like that, and put it to the test in a controlled environment where it hurts no one. Then they may make a video and send the code to the dev team. But one thing to note is that just theorycrafting it is not enough if you enjoy the creation and usage of hacking. You at least have to try it. Having the ability and not using it at least once to make sure that you were right and that you were capable of doing it is both a waste and would leave at least certain hackers curious to death.

A white hat is nice and a black hat is not for any software company. The question is always what to do with disclosure.

Punishing them or doing effectively nothing (zeto's scenario) lead to the same end. Either players that care enough about the game to test the boundaries stop playing or they end up wrecking the economy/gameplay or wielding too much power (imagine an exploit that crashes a town instance on demand). In any event, they move toward the black hat and they will not move back.

The correct thing to do is to publicly reward (in cash money, a hundred bucks or more depending on the severity, alongside badges, credit thanks, etc.) people who disclose. Set up a dedicated disclosure interface (forum PMs are the low bar here) and, most importantly, do not punish if the person decides on full disclosure if they feel they've waited long enough.


It is impossible to catch everyone who is abusing exploits and bots will always exist. Creating a peaceful, rewarding environment will entice people to disclose early and often, and it's the best you can honestly hope for.

You didn't fess up until you were caught. I don't care if this is closed beta...your actions reveal your true intent. There is no doubt that had you not been caught you would have used this after release.

Dev response was weak.