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Fruz wrote:
reduced != less.
like increased != more.

This should definitely be an additive value, not a multiplicative one.


Carnage heart "reduces MAXIMUM energy shield 25%"
All stats "every 5 intelligence increases energy shield 1%"

there is a difference between maximum and increased, one effects total while other effects the base amount.

if it was as simple as 25%reduced max vs 13% gain = a net of -12%

the % is added after the reduction otherwise the loss wouldn't be terrible. however the + attribute you gain all stats is applied thereafter not against the loss.

another example i can show u is when i equip this ammulet right here
over my eye of chayula I AM NOT getting 31allstats which is 6% + the 20% from the amulet, MY ES IS NOT GOING FROM 12,600 15,875 as a result of the es%, instead it goes to 13,100.
Last edited by ElmoLiftsBro#1082 on May 6, 2013, 5:14:02 PM
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ElmoLiftsBro wrote:
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VictorDoom wrote:
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ElmoLiftsBro wrote:


ive never actually tested this so victor could possibly be right, however the piece does say reduced maximum energy shield so i'm inclined to think victor is wrong, and not to be a dick but he is known to be wrong and has been wrong many times in the past on previous threads i've looked at. int increases energy shield not maximum ES.

Again not being a dick to you victor but I have seen you bee wrong countless amounts of times. I will test this shortly and get back to you both.


You are a being a bit of a dick and i am mostly right on most threads.. as most people know, you on the other hand have been wrong on your "#1 dps thread OMFG LOL" and other threads as well.
"seen you be wrong countless amount of times" i would like to see some quotes, dont be a smartass please.

Spreading bad word around in my name wont really work since im quite known around the community of old and new players alike for being an honest and humble player.. unlike some people.

But alas im not here to troll or bash your bragging threads, im only here to prevent wrong maths from being spread again.


25% REDUCED ES is not 25% LESS es as you calculated it, it is calculated like the increased mods, so with a perfect carnage(60 all attr) you will get a 13% reduced mod, get 2 8% increased MAXIMUM ES nodes (16% increased ES) and you have 3% increased MAXIMUM ES, notice that the wording is the same on reduced and increased mods. Try it out, its quite simple.


Just tested one, with carnage heart eqquiped i go from 12,600 es down to 10,100.

The amulet is reducing maximum es by 25% then adding 13%. as i stated your not gaining RAW + ES% as you seem to think victor, if you were I would have been at 10,675, however i ended up at 10,100.

the% bonus u get from the amulet applies to the total yes but it is applying to a reduced total. as I stated, the amulet reduces max ES and then add % based ES.

I know how hard it may be to comprehend my analogies since I stated 2,000es as an example but even with that analogy the % based modifier from the +to all stats doesnt work against reducing the total amount of maximum ES you lose.

Read the amulet effect
CARNAGE HEART "reduces total energy shield by 25%"
ALL STATS "INCREASES ENERGY SHIELD" not increases mmaximum es total.

Also in my thread for lightning stick videos and build I linked qoutes from chris at GGG and posts to back up my statements, you have always had these issues victor of shooting your mouth off and being wrong, I have seen it in my threads and other threads you've commented in.


Want screen shots to see how wrong you are again victor?




WITHOUT CARNAGE 7820 ES:http://i.imgur.com/3FUE5xP.jpg

WITH CARNAGE 7419 ES:http://i.imgur.com/Ij8I1RV.jpg

Yes please tell me more how I am wrong and YOU are right, you cant even lie properly. You can NOT lose 25% of your total ES pool! It is an additive mod like i told you!

You lost so much ES because you are wearing a 20% increased ES amulet and you are replacing it with a 25% reduced ES amulet.

i hope this clears it up for you.
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VictorDoom wrote:





WITHOUT CARNAGE 7820 ES:http://i.imgur.com/3FUE5xP.jpg

WITH CARNAGE 7419 ES:http://i.imgur.com/Ij8I1RV.jpg

Yes please tell me more how I am wrong and YOU are right, you cant even lie properly. You can NOT lose 25% of your total ES pool! It is an additive mod like i told you!


You know what, you actually are right. I didn't realize my discipline was turning off between swapping as I did this in a hurry. I apologize for my mistake for the first time I have seen victor doom prove himself right in a situation.

guess u do know a thing or two, my apologies.
Last edited by ElmoLiftsBro#1082 on May 6, 2013, 5:35:35 PM
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VictorDoom wrote:


You lost so much ES because you are wearing a 20% increased ES amulet and you are replacing it with a 25% reduced ES amulet.

i hope this clears it up for you.


I told u i tested this with an eye of chayula, I dont use this other amulet
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ElmoLiftsBro wrote:
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VictorDoom wrote:





WITHOUT CARNAGE 7820 ES:http://i.imgur.com/3FUE5xP.jpg

WITH CARNAGE 7419 ES:http://i.imgur.com/Ij8I1RV.jpg

Yes please tell me more how I am wrong and YOU are right, you cant even lie properly. You can NOT lose 25% of your total ES pool! It is an additive mod like i told you!


You know what, you actually are right. I didn't realize my discipline was turning off between swapping as I did this in a hurry. I apologize for my mistake for the first time I have seen victor doom prove himself right in a situation.

guess u do know a thing or two, my apologies.


Christ that was hard, first time you seen me right my ass, stop spreading bullshit it wont help you at all dude, im not going to bash you for trying so hard to prove that you are superior to people when you clearly are not, but i will let you know that you can ask around about how known i am for being wrong, you will get a pretty unsatisfactory response.

If you want internet fame, which is tragic, but i wont blame you for it, you have to do it by being honest and you have to use manners, kindness is the easiest way to success in life, acting like you're better than people wont get you anything except for hate, and the most important thing is suggest you do is to learn how to be humble, it will improve your social skills and status by a considerable amount.

good luck.
I carve and sell real animal skulls, check out my work here: https://www.instagram.com/victorseiche/
https://www.facebook.com/victorseicheart/
World first Uber Atziri as 2h and 2h RT build: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1058950
Highest level char in Closed Beta, Wytchfindergeneral
Last edited by VictorDoom#6290 on May 6, 2013, 5:54:56 PM
AFAIK, there is only the wording increased/reduced, more and less.
The 2 first are additive, the 2 last are multiplicative.
That's all there is to know.
This is why the only actual "more ES" value I know in the game is beyond CI, because multiplicative values are extremely powerful.
I though that Carnage Heart would have a multiplicative value until I re-read it, making it a viable choice to me. Maybe some other pieces of gear have "less energy shield" modes, but Carnage Heart apparently doesn't.

I don't think have "maximum" or not written changes anything.
The only case I know where it is not the case, is on gear, where the modes are changing local values such as local increased ES/EV/Armor modes.
SSF is not and will never be a standard for balance, it is not for people entitled to getting more without trading.
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VictorDoom wrote:


Christ that was hard, first time you seen me right my ass, stop spreading bullshit it wont help you at all dude, im not going to bash you for trying so hard to prove that you are superior to people when you clearly are not, but i will let you know that you can ask around about how known i am for being wrong, you will get a pretty unsatisfactory response.

If you want internet fame, which is tragic, but i wont blame you for it, you have to do it by being honest and you have to use manners, kindness is the easiest way to success in life, acting like you're better than people wont get you anything except for hate, and the most important thing is suggest you do is to learn how to be humble, it will improve your social skills and status by a considerable amount.

good luck.


Apparently me stating I was wrong wasn't enough for you, so go ahead, have your rant so you can hear yourself talk and reflect on your life as you glare meaningless at your computer screen only to be comforted by a faux glow which you interpret as some sort of means to your day. Hey I'm happy that's all it takes for you!

My list of accomplishments include an Ivy league university masters, A house, a gorgeous fiancee, a great family, and financial security through my monetary accomplishments. Being right on the internet does not fall into that category, and I can admit when I'm wrong because I'm a man.

I am more the exultant that you find your means to an end hitting the reply button, I however do not need this in my life to find inner solace.

Post Script. If you want to be heard properly over the internet as your medium of choice to divulge your efforts into; I would advise using punctuation so you come across as at least some what able to tenure a nominal amount of intelligence.
real life stuff has nothing to do with here ( except maybe about communication since it's a forum ).
This kind of attack is pathetic, sorry.
That'd be nice if everyone could just keep cool and stop going into those kind of discussion.
If a moderator comes here, it would be helpful to remove some content here imho.
SSF is not and will never be a standard for balance, it is not for people entitled to getting more without trading.
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Fruz wrote:
real life stuff has nothing to do with here ( except maybe about communication since it's a forum ).
This kind of attack is pathetic, sorry.
That'd be nice if everyone could just keep cool and stop going into those kind of discussion.
If a moderator comes here, it would be helpful to remove some content here imho.


A moderator warned Victor Doom in one of the other video guides I published and a moderator intervened in the posts and removed warned him to not post unrelated material in these threads because it's against forum rules. A moderator then reached out to me saying if it persists to contact them and they will enforce the rules.

If Victor continues to post meaningless information in here I will forward it to support and they will enforce a ban or whatever action they deem necessary, and I'm sure that's why he hasted posted here because the mods probably already sent him another warning.

with the amount he trolls on these forums I am positive he is already on thin ice.

I'm in very good regards with the devs and I'm sure they will have no hesitation to intervene, if victor continues i'll contact them, as of right no I do not see a need to contact them.... yet.
Last edited by ElmoLiftsBro#1082 on May 7, 2013, 1:00:50 AM
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ElmoLiftsBro wrote:
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Fruz wrote:
real life stuff has nothing to do with here ( except maybe about communication since it's a forum ).
This kind of attack is pathetic, sorry.
That'd be nice if everyone could just keep cool and stop going into those kind of discussion.
If a moderator comes here, it would be helpful to remove some content here imho.


A moderator warned Victor Doom in one of the other video guides I published and a moderator intervened in the posts and removed warned him to not post unrelated material in these threads because it's against forum rules. A moderator then reached out to me saying if it persists to contact them and they will enforce the rules.

If Victor continues to post meaningless information in here I will forward it to support and they will enforce a ban or whatever action they deem necessary, and I'm sure that's why he hasted posted here because the mods probably already sent him another warning.

with the amount he trolls on these forums I am positive he is already on thin ice.

I'm in very good regards with the devs and I'm sure they will have no hesitation to intervene, if victor continues i'll contact them, as of right no I do not see a need to contact them.... yet.


Go ahead, try to ban me. if you werent paying attention, Bex came in that thread to stop you and everyone else(inculding me) insulting each other on your bragging thread that you call a guide, that was not a warn. And its going to be the same here, someone will come ask people to chill out and move on which im about to do since arguing with you is like arguing with a 5 year old.
I'm on no thin ice since i dont troll, the only time i act like this is with people like you, and i like putting people like you straight when everyone else just doesnt bother, havent gotten any warns for that yet

Stop spreading bullshit when someone says what you dont like to hear or proves you wrong, stop acting like your better than everyone else, and stop bragging, it doesnt help anyone if you just brag in so called guides and act like you know everything, a guide is to help OTHERS, it is not for e-peen which seems to be the main point of it for you.

Grow up, you aren't a man, you're a child.
I carve and sell real animal skulls, check out my work here: https://www.instagram.com/victorseiche/
https://www.facebook.com/victorseicheart/
World first Uber Atziri as 2h and 2h RT build: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1058950
Highest level char in Closed Beta, Wytchfindergeneral
Last edited by VictorDoom#6290 on May 7, 2013, 6:30:05 AM

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