Eckalina | SC | FARMBUILD [Amazing dps and IQ/IR] | Dual Spark | Low Life Mode - RF |

so they'll likely gonna fix this making that mechanic not usefull anymore someday.

ok thx for the info
Last edited by fuma83#6479 on Jun 7, 2013, 6:21:19 AM
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Xtreemer wrote:
For this reason you spec vaal pact life leech applies instantly and use rf ek you stack up your leech as you 20 % physical reflect will be a joke you cant die to him lets say you do hypetetic:
100k dmg and 20% is reflected while you have 20% leech rate you leech 20k life the reflected dmg is nullified because you leech it back and its instantly applied so you take no dmg and you can stack as much crit as you want.


Thats the build how it could be:
Spoiler


EK, Power Charge on Critical, Added Fire, Life Leech Faster casting, Increased Critical DMG

and of course Righteous fire

for late game maybe with 2 voidbattery (could boost dps to very insane numbers, like the oneshot wander)



why would you hae both ghost reaver and zealot's oath? I'd remove reaver. Remove that and you've got 3 more nodes (though 114 passives is quite a lot).
Perhaps use 2 of those for Iron Grip? If that applies to EK. and then use the other for spell crit at the beginning of the tree under elemental dominion.

Wonder if you could stack good IIQ/IIR with this


My intension on this build was to use Zeloats oath only if you use a rare wand or only 1 voidbattery to use springleaf for more es regen that will increase your survivability by a lot.

As you use dual wand can spend some points elswhere but i wouldnt take iron grip...because iron grip applies only to projectile attacks and EK is a Spell (it fires projectiles but its a spell so inly Iron Will will apply more dmg to it.)

And lets say you meet a reflect enemy in a reflect map so stacked reflect you can easy dodge this mechanic in using a singel spelltotem version of ek to kill the enemy with no risk.
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Ok so, more brainwork on proposed builds, both those of Kiorull and Shaokim, and I got to these conclusions:
- Ditch EA. Barely useful for 3 points.
- Include Static Blows, its value has raised since the nerf to crit chance and 20% chance to shock is a huge increase on boss fights.
- Can't make my mind around IF. It's still a 18% buff to RF "more spell damage", and it means a 15% multiplicative increase in DPS. It also buffs Discipline for more ES, so i dunno. I'd like to research more on this subject, need more maths...
- Nullification cluster seems soooo good. I'd really prioritize it over the central ES cluster. It packs 32% increased ES and 8% all res for just 4 points. You could get to it the short way for 10int 10dex (2 points), or the long way for 10 int, 80% crit chance, 60% crit damage, 20dex, 3% cast speed, 4% movement speed (7 points). The long way gets you near Mental Acuity for further development. I couldn't find a way to spend those 7 points better, so if you can spare them it's definitely worthwile. Until then, stick with the short route to get those es nodes ASAP.

Played a bit more and got this build, same points spent as my actual situation.

If my calculations are correct, those are the changes for me.
+10 str
+80 int
-28% mana
-40% manareg
-10% all res
-2% all max res
+52% inc. es (almost 1.4x than before)
-70% crit damage
+20% chance to shock
-18% effect from buffs

Got a huge hit in mana and manareg. I'm already borderline with my mana reserve, so i don't know if i can spare those points (must consider the increase in INT too). DPS-wise it's very similar (with static blows offsetting lack of crit damage) but way more survivable, with better chances to run RF.

What do you think? I like the new build more tbh, but i'll keep fiddling before applying that full respec. I need to do more maths regarding mana and auras, i'll need to at least turn off Haste, so the whole thing would translate to a notable -10% cast speed.

Bye
Last edited by ThePlash#0157 on Jun 7, 2013, 10:51:24 AM
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Xtreemer wrote:
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Xtreemer wrote:
For this reason you spec vaal pact life leech applies instantly and use rf ek you stack up your leech as you 20 % physical reflect will be a joke you cant die to him lets say you do hypetetic:
100k dmg and 20% is reflected while you have 20% leech rate you leech 20k life the reflected dmg is nullified because you leech it back and its instantly applied so you take no dmg and you can stack as much crit as you want.


Thats the build how it could be:
Spoiler


EK, Power Charge on Critical, Added Fire, Life Leech Faster casting, Increased Critical DMG

and of course Righteous fire

for late game maybe with 2 voidbattery (could boost dps to very insane numbers, like the oneshot wander)



why would you hae both ghost reaver and zealot's oath? I'd remove reaver. Remove that and you've got 3 more nodes (though 114 passives is quite a lot).
Perhaps use 2 of those for Iron Grip? If that applies to EK. and then use the other for spell crit at the beginning of the tree under elemental dominion.

Wonder if you could stack good IIQ/IIR with this


My intension on this build was to use Zeloats oath only if you use a rare wand or only 1 voidbattery to use springleaf for more es regen that will increase your survivability by a lot.

As you use dual wand can spend some points elswhere but i wouldnt take iron grip...because iron grip applies only to projectile attacks and EK is a Spell (it fires projectiles but its a spell so inly Iron Will will apply more dmg to it.)

And lets say you meet a reflect enemy in a reflect map so stacked reflect you can easy dodge this mechanic in using a singel spelltotem version of ek to kill the enemy with no risk.


I still don't get it. Ghost Reaver and Zealots Oath do the same thing. They switch the mechanic from life regen regenerating life to regenerating energy shield. That's all. They don't increase the regen or anything else. It's redundant and unnecessary to have both.
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ThePlash wrote:
Ok so, more brainwork on proposed builds, both those of Kiorull and Shaokim, and I got to these conclusions:
- Ditch EA. Barely useful for 3 points.
- Include Static Blows, its value has raised since the nerf to crit chance and 20% chance to shock is a huge increase on boss fights.
- Can't make my mind around IF. It's still a 18% buff to RF "more spell damage", and it means a 15% multiplicative increase in DPS. It also buffs Discipline for more ES, so i dunno. I'd like to research more on this subject, need more maths...
- Nullification cluster seems soooo good. I'd really prioritize it over the central ES cluster. It packs 32% increased ES and 8% all res for just 4 points. You could get to it the short way for 10int 10dex (2 points), or the long way for 10 int, 80% crit chance, 60% crit damage, 20dex, 3% cast speed, 4% movement speed (7 points). The long way gets you near Mental Acuity for further development. I couldn't find a way to spend those 7 points better, so if you can spare them it's definitely worthwile. Until then, stick with the short route to get those es nodes ASAP.

Played a bit more and got this build, same points spent as my actual situation.

If my calculations are correct, those are the changes for me.
+10 str
+80 int
-28% mana
-40% manareg
-10% all res
-2% all max res
+52% inc. es (almost 1.4x than before)
-70% crit damage
+20% chance to shock
-18% effect from buffs

Got a huge hit in mana and manareg. I'm already borderline with my mana reserve, so i don't know if i can spare those points (must consider the increase in INT too). DPS-wise it's very similar (with static blows offsetting lack of crit damage) but way more survivable, with better chances to run RF.

What do you think? I like the new build more tbh, but i'll keep fiddling before applying that full respec. I need to do more maths regarding mana and auras, i'll need to at least turn off Haste, so the whole thing would translate to a notable -10% cast speed.

Bye


This is pretty interesting.
I'd suggest,

-get off bloodthirst and add the next 2 after coordination. You will have the same crit chance but will also add 20% crit multiplier. that's big.

-I'd take the left side of ES nodes. You'll lose 10 int but gain 10 dex. Also, you'll be 1 node away from either 6% elemental resist, or buffs, or 3% cast speed, or 8% increased mana clusters. That access is a better spot.

-When you get 1 more passive at the start of witch I may take away the 2 int nodes and ride up spell damage. That'd be -20 int but + 18% spell damage.

-I don't know if I can resist the +40% mana regen at the beginning and I may want another +8% total mana. That may be my next 2 after that.

-Of course you'll want to grab that Spell Power in the next 2 as well.

I wonder how well elementalist works... maybe sacrifice that to the crit gods.

-also, take away doom cast and those 2 int nodes to grab the 15, 15 and 45 crits. That's 15 more crit though less mana from int which is why we do take that 8% mana early on.
You can forgo that 40% mana regen at the beginning and instead take 2 8% manas in the cluster leading to the ES shield instead or even grab the 8% mana and secrets of the order nodes. Depends on gear modifiers and gameplay really which is best or needed,

Maybe this is the end game build you'd be looking towards


Pacific (GMT -8) Time
Last edited by Madcow1120#4324 on Jun 7, 2013, 12:07:23 PM
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Madcow1120 wrote:
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Xtreemer wrote:

I still don't get it. Ghost Reaver and Zealots Oath do the same thing. They switch the mechanic from life regen regenerating life to regenerating energy shield. That's all. They don't increase the regen or anything else. It's redundant and unnecessary to have both.


Ghost Reaver - transforms your Life Leech (from damage) into ES Leech

Zealots Oath - tranforms your Passive Life Regeneration into Passive ES Regeneration

Very big difference. The latter doesn't work with Vaal Pact though, because Vaal Pact makes all your regen 0.

You can have both, no problem, ZO regenerates your ES passively (all the time), GR applies your leech from damage.

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ThePlash wrote:

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Nullification cluster is certainly good, but too expensive for me pointwise. I didn't want to lose any of the dps points from the start of shadow. Ok, also I had less points to work with :)
Last edited by kiorull#3026 on Jun 7, 2013, 12:10:50 PM
I feel that the last few proposed builds are undecided whether we should invest in critical damage or not. I'm not sure if critical damage only becomes interesting if we go 'all in' with it. These last few skill trees seem a bit middle of the road concerning crit damage. Is there anyone who has done the math on taking the crit nodes post patch? I can't because I'm far from a math whiz :/
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shaokim wrote:
So far, what's the verdict on taking static blows and the shock node just beyond it?


It's amazing for bosses. If you want to farm piety I highly recommend it.

If you don't know what to cut for static blows, cut ele adaptation.
I have both Rise of the Phoenix and Springleaf. Isn't Rise Of The Phoenix way better?
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kiorull wrote:
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Madcow1120 wrote:
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Xtreemer wrote:

I still don't get it. Ghost Reaver and Zealots Oath do the same thing. They switch the mechanic from life regen regenerating life to regenerating energy shield. That's all. They don't increase the regen or anything else. It's redundant and unnecessary to have both.


Ghost Reaver - transforms your Life Leech (from damage) into ES Leech

Zealots Oath - tranforms your Passive Life Regeneration into Passive ES Regeneration

Very big difference. The latter doesn't work with Vaal Pact though, because Vaal Pact makes all your regen 0.

You can have both, no problem, ZO regenerates your ES passively (all the time), GR applies your leech from damage.

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ThePlash wrote:

snip


Nullification cluster is certainly good, but too expensive for me pointwise. I didn't want to lose any of the dps points from the start of shadow. Ok, also I had less points to work with :)


ahhhhhhhhhhhhh there it is. I was wrong (read it wrong, duh me) with that leech vs regen. Ok now that makes sense. And with EK you'll utilize the life leech (if you need it). interesting.
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Last edited by Madcow1120#4324 on Jun 7, 2013, 12:21:58 PM

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