POE Needs Set Items, Epic Items and a new category

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Elynole wrote:

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Asphael wrote:

Also set-items could be designed around making very special builds if the player gets all pieces (like shapeshifting into another form i.e. as last set bonus or a new skill)

This is the reason we have uniques.

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GusTheCrocodile wrote:

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Elynole wrote:

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Asphael wrote:

Also set-items could be designed around making very special builds if the player gets all pieces (like shapeshifting into another form i.e. as last set bonus or a new skill)

This is the reason we have uniques.

Well yes. Sets are just uniques with a particular kind of bonus mechanic involved. Ie. the fact that we already have uniques isn't an argument against more uniques, so why would it be relevant to sets? They would after all function identically whether or not they were their own item class.

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BrianWeissman wrote:

I'll reiterate a point made by Chris in the past. Basically, we're against the idea of Set items in POE because we feel they constrain build diversity. In order to make them interesting and competitive, we have to make them good. Making them good means that everybody wants to collect them, especially if their set bonuses confer a big advantage. Open Beta is in its infancy, but a few months from now we'd likely see tons of people with 2-4 identical pieces of gear, over and over and over. This isn't ideal for character diversity or for flavor.

The good news is that even though we have no plans to make set items, we're going to be releasing literally HUNDREDS more unique items. POE has very open design where uniques are concerned, so there is no telling what's going to show up. We're also going to be adding mountains of new art to the game, along with cosmetic microtransactions that enhance how armor looks. The end result of this will be tremendous diversity in gear and appearance. Even two characters built around the same fundamental interaction of active and passive skills will have radically different gear. One character might use 3-4 uniques, the other might be pure rares. You get the idea.

As for D2-style Charms, we're unlikely to implement those as well. The idea of balancing inventory space against increased power may sound like a neat tension, but ultimately it becomes an obnoxious obligation. Players feel that they must fill their inventory full of charms to be competitive, and this would run completely counter to our vendor system, which encourages players to head back to town bearing all sorts of specific treasure. Playing in a group and contesting loot with other players is exciting enough without having to constantly worry what you'll do if more than one item drops that you care about. Imagine how you'll feel when you can't grab that Exalted Orb in time because your inventory is completely gummed up with charms.

If you remember back in Diablo 2, there were a few things in play regarding Charms that are very different in POE. For starters, there were very few items in LoD that an endgame player was interested in picking up. This is very different from Path of Exile, where the humblest white item can be extremely valuable. You're also finding diverse currency constantly in Path of Exile. Finally, you have much more limited ability to Portal back to town in POE, especially when you're saving your Portals for boss fights. Without easy and free porting like in D2, a constrained inventory turns into a huge drag on game progress. You might be a little more powerful from your charms on the battlefield, but you're going to be wasting so much time going back and forth to town that the net result will be slower leveling.

That's just a short summary of our current thoughts on these subjects, I really appreciate your feedback.

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Kabraxis wrote:

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BrianWeissman wrote:

I'll reiterate a point made by Chris in the past. Basically, we're against the idea of Set items in POE because we feel they constrain build diversity. In order to make them interesting and competitive, we have to make them good. Making them good means that everybody wants to collect them, especially if their set bonuses confer a big advantage. Open Beta is in its infancy, but a few months from now we'd likely see tons of people with 2-4 identical pieces of gear, over and over and over. This isn't ideal for character diversity or for flavor.

The good news is that even though we have no plans to make set items, we're going to be releasing literally HUNDREDS more unique items. POE has very open design where uniques are concerned, so there is no telling what's going to show up. We're also going to be adding mountains of new art to the game, along with cosmetic microtransactions that enhance how armor looks. The end result of this will be tremendous diversity in gear and appearance. Even two characters built around the same fundamental interaction of active and passive skills will have radically different gear. One character might use 3-4 uniques, the other might be pure rares. You get the idea.

As for D2-style Charms, we're unlikely to implement those as well. The idea of balancing inventory space against increased power may sound like a neat tension, but ultimately it becomes an obnoxious obligation. Players feel that they must fill their inventory full of charms to be competitive, and this would run completely counter to our vendor system, which encourages players to head back to town bearing all sorts of specific treasure. Playing in a group and contesting loot with other players is exciting enough without having to constantly worry what you'll do if more than one item drops that you care about. Imagine how you'll feel when you can't grab that Exalted Orb in time because your inventory is completely gummed up with charms.

If you remember back in Diablo 2, there were a few things in play regarding Charms that are very different in POE. For starters, there were very few items in LoD that an endgame player was interested in picking up. This is very different from Path of Exile, where the humblest white item can be extremely valuable. You're also finding diverse currency constantly in Path of Exile. Finally, you have much more limited ability to Portal back to town in POE, especially when you're saving your Portals for boss fights. Without easy and free porting like in D2, a constrained inventory turns into a huge drag on game progress. You might be a little more powerful from your charms on the battlefield, but you're going to be wasting so much time going back and forth to town that the net result will be slower leveling.

That's just a short summary of our current thoughts on these subjects, I really appreciate your feedback.

So basically you tell me that you will not implement new items to collect only uniques? Most HnS have much more that that tbh:

DIABLO 2: runes, jewels, charms, gems, sets, gold, uniques, rares, socketed items for runewords, probably more i dont remember

TITAN QUEST: charms, monster parts, uniques, epic items, legendary items, sets, artifacts, crafting recipes, gold, 'monster infrequents' (TQ specific item tier), probably more i dont remember (EDIT: uberspells scrols from drop or vendors!!)

TORCHLIGHT 2: Uniques, rares, sets, gems, unique gems, fishes, spell scrolls, gold, probable more?

PATH OF EXILE: currency, rares, uniques, white items with good sockets for crafting, skillgems (without real use tbh), ALL?

POE item system/collecting part of the game its not so awesome that you think it is tbh... and you tell we 'we wil not enchance it - only we will add more uniques'? Most HnS games have some other things to collect not only gear and gold (because orbs are gold equivalent).