1.1UPDATED- ETHEREAL KNIVES CRIT & MAP GUIDE - ES TANK w/ CHAOS INOC- LVLING INFO + PASSIVES + VIDS

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johmnathan wrote:

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terrex wrote:

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johmnathan wrote:

Hey. I'm new to the game and trying to figure things out as I go, and was looking for some advice on potential directions to take this build.

While leveling my summoner I played a lot with cold spells to keep mobs slow so my zombies can hit them easier and I enjoyed them and noticed most of the good ones were projectiles. I decided that I really liked this build and wanted to try it, but I wanted to add some cold damage potential, both for maintaining the Added Cold Damage gem with Ethereal Knives to keep mobs slowed / frozen and to keep the possibility open of going more straight cold damage if I feel so inclined. I have two small variations to your build that I am debating on and just wanted to see if either was worth constructive input. Here are the builds I'm bouncing between:

http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgYAAuMC_gQHB6UPxBB7ES8V1xa_FvMXVBpsHNwfAiKBJjwpTysKLJwspiy_LR8tqC-dNAo2xTdmOtg7fDvhQZZCw0SrRnFG10cGSbJMs03YUDBVrlZjWqZcil3GXfJe-l9qYG1jQ20ZcFJw1X_GghCCm4MJhX2GrofbiEKMNox2jjyOZI-mj_qQ1pMnmZqdrp6hoqOnCKcrr5uxkLQMtDi0xbUEtve2-rfWuMq-OsBRwQDBxcHzwuzDbdVP14bYJNsa21nb59zH3fPed9-E37Di9-OE5CLlGetj7BjsOPId8uHz6vVL96b79fyr

This is very close to the build you are using currently, but I get Ghost Reaver and spend some points on cold damage. I also add 3 Power Charge nodes to get a higher crit chance with the knives to ensure constant chilling/freezing. This build has a lot of ES but I worry about it's survivability with what I believe will be very low mitigation. I understand that stacking armor is considered better than evasion in the end game, though that could be wrong, and with that in mind I made the following second build option:

http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgYAAv4F-RB7ES8VIBXXFfAWvxbzF1QY2xmGGYoc3CFgIoEk_SY8KLUppSo4Kk0rCiycLKYsvyzpLR8tRy2DLagvnTQKN2Y74T8nQKBCw0SrRZZGcUcGSshMMk4qUEJVrlYtVmNbr1yKXfJe-l9qbRlvnnBScNV08X1bf8aDCYUyhq6H24hCjDaOPI-mj_qQ1pLNkvOTJ5cGmZqbtaKjpyusR6x_sZC0DLQ4tMW297fWvjrBAMHFwfPC7MM6w23EospK1QDVT9eG2xrbWdvn3Q3ed9-E4oDi9-UZ51TrLOtj7BjvTvId8-r1S_v1_Ks=

This sacrifices the added ES from the Templar section for goodies from the lower tree such as increased knives range from Ballistic Mastery, decent projectile damage and reflect insurance with Vaal Pact, but the main draw of this build would be a super high evasion rating all converting into armor, with the added mitigation of Mind Over Matter.

I do not know how necessary going that far down the tree for that much mitigation will be, though, and I do not know how much damage I would actually be giving up. I am having a hell of a time deciding which route to go, so just figured I would see if anyone here had ideas or criticisms. I dont post on any forums, ever, so sorry if I messed anything up and about the giant wall of text.

Hey there, checking out the builds they look pretty good. Though you might not want Arcane Vision unless you are skipping out on CI. CI = full life so your vision will always be good. The one thing though is these do have a lot of skill points too so you will have to prioritize your stats. Another thing added cold damage gem might not be the best think linked to EK itself, hatred aura can add a lot of damage but the damage from added cold damage gem might not be too much compared to EK scaling. There may be more efficient links but if you are going for the cold damage it might work out pretty decent. I have never really tried that myself. :P

Thank you for the response, definitely helpful. The cold damage gem was an idea to allow for easier kiting, but after leveling a bit with it it does seem to be scaling very poorly compared to the physical damage, so I will probably drop it.

My main concern with deciding between the two specs, however, is how much mitigation will be required? I do not plan on grouping much, if at all, so survivability is a concern for me. With your current build, do you notice mitigation being a concern at all? Do you have to rely exclusively on skeletons for distractions, or can you take a few hits without dying? My other character being a pure summoner, I would like to avoid using minions unless absolutely necessary, so I would like to be able to mitigate some hits. A 5k ES pool is nice, but not terribly helpful if you're getting one-shot.

So I guess my question is, in your experience, can the templar-area spec survive decently well in high-end maps with just evasion and ES without relying on skeletons, or would the armor from Iron Reflexes be required for that?

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Molko wrote:

Hi!

Atm I'm loving this build.
Many thanks for sharing.

But I need your help:
What dagger is better?
More spell damage but less Chance
40% Chance + 90% Spell Damage
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more Chance but less spell damage?
127% Chance + 56% Spell Damage

At lvl 68 I'll be using this shield

Coincidence, we use the same skin :)

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RivaGe wrote:

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terrex wrote:

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RivaGe wrote:

Trying this build now, kind of just rushing through the game trying to level up and then buy some gear (not spending now because the gear will be outdated).
600 hp, 800 es, 950 dps at level 50, act 3 cruel. Probably a waste of time :)

How are you managing in cruel? Are you clearing at a decent pace? If you ever have trouble if you can maybe post your gear or links I might be able to help.

Kind of alright. Spent 5 chaos on a new belt, wand and shield so I'm now at 700 hp/1200 es/1200 dps ek.
As for the speed, this is my fourth char and all of them are pretty bad at killing things quickly. Especially in large parties.
My gear is

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Here's my tree, any suggestions on where to go next? Last points went to +6% shield at the bottom.

Also as this is my first time trying so many differenly colored gems it's been a pain trying to get needed socket colors. Had 5 stacks of chromatic orbs before starting this character and now I have 2 orbs left.

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Ahh it is a tough call. These are both pretty equal trade offs to be honest. I'd personally go with the more spell damage so EK hits harder even on no crits and will maybe stun the enemies. :D

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mrourke913 wrote:

Hey terrex. Got a question for ya involving the Deal with the Bandits.

Cruel - 12% Phys Dmg(Oak) / 4% Cast Speed(Alira.

Since the change where its 18% Phys Dmg(Oak), would you suggest helping out Oak more than Alira in Cruel?

Love playing the build so far, and thanks for the easy guide.

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Molko wrote:

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Ahh it is a tough call. These are both pretty equal trade offs to be honest. I'd personally go with the more spell damage so EK hits harder even on no crits and will maybe stun the enemies. :D

I was almost sure you would say the opposite, that crit is better.
I will test both weapons and decide which one is better, then I will comment here

As I dont have the armor that you recommend then I'll use Infernal Mantle, + 100% Crit Chance, although the penalty is bad.

Thanks for the reply!

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NikkeTee wrote:

Following this at nemesis, doing great! My first character to actually reach merciles (I'm rather new, this is 3rd char...)


Currently lvl62 farming merc ledge as I'm trying to get my hands on some ES gear so I could make the switch to CI in the near future. :)


Current gear:

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Pretty much everything is either self found or bought for 1 chaos or so. Really cheap to make this work.

Passive tree atm:

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http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgYABAcFQgj0DkgRLxGWFecWvxpsHwIkPCaVJ6ksnC0fMYg2xTvhQZZEq0lRTLNQQlVLVa5abV3yYeJirGZPbRlwUnDVc7N5A35Zf8aBSYIQh9uIQot6jDaOZI9Gj6aZmp2jnaqdrqIuoqOnCKcrp1yus7I4tve2-sHFwfPVT9ad2CTed9-w4vfkIutj8GvyHfPq96b8qw==

Propably need some regrets to skill out the life nodes for ES but that's not really an concern for me :)




So thanks terrex for this build, having super fun with it!



EDIT: Well FML, right after posting this I managed to kill myself on a reflect pack. You really gotta watch out for those! 2 or 3 crits in a row and that's a game :/

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RivaGe wrote:

How is your damage calculated in the picture (120771)? Isn't it 2500-3700 * 4?

Anyway, still feel useless in parties with 4-6 people when I see dudes with lightning arrow destroying everything :(