RMT Policy: Why You Should be Pro-Choice!

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guidoo wrote:
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slyme wrote:

I asked Chris Wilson of GGG in game during closed beta if RMT would be allowed on third party sites, and he responded by saying it would not be a supported feature and would be frowned upon but not strictly forbidden. (and this is the account I asked him on so feel free to look through chat logs [it was in game])

Now I read in the trading forum it is forbidden. I feel cheated because I spent money on my open beta key and microtransactions while under this assumption that I could at some point if I became short on cash I could sell off some items, or if I had an excess of money and a lack of time, I could use the money I made with my time to purchase to products of anothers time utilized.


The problem I see with this thread is OP's lack of reading comprehension. You were told that RMT wasn't going to be supported and you get surprised when you see that it is forbidden in the PoE forums? You assumed you'd be allowed to do it here. That's the problem. YOU and ASSUMED. Nobody lead you to believe that it'd be a possibility, you just misinterpreted what you were told.


Also, it's not strictly forbidden, it's just not something you are allowed to do here. Wanna do some RMT? Go do it elsewhere. Nobody will stop you.

The issue is I precisely asked Chris if it would be forbidden and received a response of no.
Then read this quote from the trading section, by Chris
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Real Money/External Trading

Buying and selling items or accounts for real money or external currencies (such as Forum Gold) is not allowed and we will ban people who attempt to engage in it in-game or on the pathofexile.com forums.

The following things are examples of behaviour that could get you banned under this rule:

Posting a trade thread where you ask for things other than Path of Exile items in exchange for your gear.
Offering people money or external currencies in exchange for their Path of Exile items or accounts.
Advertising external item sales sites. It's best to avoid mentioning them by name.
Running a service where you sell items or accounts to people for things other than Path of Exile items.
It's only forbidden to do it here. You can do it elsewhere without consequences. Since there is no way to prove that someone has actually sold his/her items for money, there's no reason for a ban.
One of the great things about this game to many players(myself included) is that there is not, not ever will be a RMT. There are many P2W games out there and I'm glad this isn't one of them.
The time you invest in a video game should bring you pleasure or pain(depending on your experience) and THAT is your reward, simple enjoyment. Your career outside the game pays for necessities and real life expenses. That being said, there still are many games that you can play to make money...just not this one.
A RMT shop would destroy the current ingame trade system and fast. One would no longer be able to farm currency for upgrades, upgrades would only come from cash sales and all orb-like currency would simply be used to upgrade cash items or re-roll map mods.
I believe the unforgiving nature of PoE and it's no gold, barter system economy is a welcome change in todays gaming world. May it never change!

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Immabarb wrote:
One of the great things about this game to many players(myself included) is that there is not, not ever will be a RMT. There are many P2W games out there and I'm glad this isn't one of them.
The time you invest in a video game should bring you pleasure or pain(depending on your experience) and THAT is your reward, simple enjoyment. Your career outside the game pays for necessities and real life expenses. That being said, there still are many games that you can play to make money...just not this one.
A RMT shop would destroy the current ingame trade system and fast. One would no longer be able to farm currency for upgrades, upgrades would only come from cash sales and all orb-like currency would simply be used to upgrade cash items or re-roll map mods.
I believe the unforgiving nature of PoE and it's no gold, barter system economy is a welcome change in todays gaming world. May it never change!


Thats one opinion. The drops are generally balanced around play to win, but there already is a pay to win market, both are successful, and both should continue to be because currency is consumable. You see other people playing in the manner they choose which might be different then yours hasn't really affected you. It won't affect the people who don't want to sell or buy items nearly as much to allow others to do so, than it would affect those who want to buy or sell them to be forbidden.
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guidoo wrote:
It's only forbidden to do it here. You can do it elsewhere without consequences. Since there is no way to prove that someone has actually sold his/her items for money, there's no reason for a ban.

Thats all I am asking for but it says in the quote you can be banned for it.
True and for the large part trading(or method of) doesn't affect my game play experience very much.......BUT I'm all for follow through. When it has been stated by devs in the past that they do not want a RMT, sticking to your plan means alot to me. Saying one thing and then doing another is a rampant problem these days...Integrity is PRICELESS!
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slyme wrote:
Thats all I am asking for but it says in the quote you can be banned for it.


Well, it's up to you if you want to try your luck.

No reason to continue this topic, is there? It has been made quite clear now that GGG does not condone real money transactions outside their shop. And under no circumstances do they accept pay-to-win trading of items.
Wait: Chris told you something, then closed beta transitioned to open beta, and his stance changed? About an issue regarding (what is in part) his game?

And you feel cheated?

You are overreacting, I think. How you experience the game is specifically your subjective experience, but, in my opinion, I don't see "not being able to use real money to buy/sell things in a way that is verboten by the devs" as a negative.
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krifFinn wrote:
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slyme wrote:
Thats all I am asking for but it says in the quote you can be banned for it.


Well, it's up to you if you want to try your luck.

No reason to continue this topic, is there? It has been made quite clear now that GGG does not condone real money transactions outside their shop. And under no circumstances do they accept pay-to-win trading of items.


Sorry made clear?They changed from closed beta to open beta so a change to open beta to full game is a possiblity.

You are not to decide if it is to end or not,only admin and moderator and op have that decision.
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this defeats the purpose of gear hunting..

this will make it pay to win.

if you sell your items to others with real cash they are actually paying to win.

unlike you who hunt/craft you own gears.
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http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/98928

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Chris wrote:
Real Money/External Trading

Buying and selling items or accounts for real money or external currencies (such as Forum Gold) is not allowed and we will ban people who attempt to engage in it in-game or on the pathofexile.com forums.

The following things are examples of behaviour that could get you banned under this rule:
  • Posting a trade thread where you ask for things other than Path of Exile items in exchange for your gear.
  • Offering people money or external currencies in exchange for their Path of Exile items or accounts.
  • Advertising external item sales sites. It's best to avoid mentioning them by name.
  • Running a service where you sell items or accounts to people for things other than Path of Exile items.

Self-promoting forum threads

We've had numerous posts being promoted by automated responses, so we've now implemented rules related to 'bumping' threads:

  • No more than one bump per hour.
  • Anyone caught self-bumping more regularly than that will be put on a short duration probation the first time it occurs.
  • This timer counts from your last self-bump. If people bid, you can still bump it an hour after your last self-bump. This includes using 'current offer' updates to self-bump. Please edit your original post to display the current offer.


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