worthless standtard roa garbage guide

for what bow?

usually nice rare unless insane phys bow.

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pennyyy wrote:

for what bow?

usually nice rare unless insane phys bow.

I using these 2

As far as i know blackgleams should be more dps than rare qiuiver even with 36 wed, 10 ias, 2-28 light, crit chance, crit chance with the amount of WED i have.

Also, does maligaro's gloves provide more dps than thunderfist?

With a lioneyes definately Blackgleams.

Gloves depends, if you already stacked a lot of crit maligaros might scale very well but most ele damage builds will do better with Thunderfist.

Blackgleam is garbage because you're killing your phys in order to gain some tooltip dps, with some phys life leech you can test by yourself and see that using a blackgleam will reduce your phys below the armor threshold where it's going to be heavely mitigated.

Rare quiver is the way to go, even though blackgleam is great for screenshots of pro tooltidps

About the guide, I feel it's still somewhat relevant despite the inner force nerf, I'm waiting for a skilltree change to update it

Why wouldnt you go ahead and kill your physical damage for more elemental?
Especially with all the ele damage increase on other gear and in the skill tree + the 7th aura elemental damage will scale much much better than your physical.
And stuff like iron grip will still be worth it because increased phys = more damage with BG Quiver and hatred times scaled with all the ele damage stuff.

But obviously you´re the man with the experience, I´m just curious since even with lioneyes your phys damage doesn´t seem that relevant and easily migitated by foes with armor.

From Hardcore perspective BG kinda sucks anyway because you can get good life rolls + resistances on your quiver.

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pennyyy wrote:

Why wouldnt you go ahead and kill your physical damage for more elemental?
Especially with all the ele damage increase on other gear and in the skill tree + the 7th aura elemental damage will scale much much better than your physical.
And stuff like iron grip will still be worth it because increased phys = more damage with BG Quiver and hatred times scaled with all the ele damage stuff.

But obviously you´re the man with the experience, I´m just curious since even with lioneyes your phys damage doesn´t seem that relevant and easily migitated by foes with armor.

From Hardcore perspective BG kinda sucks anyway because you can get good life rolls + resistances on your quiver.

The harder your hits, the less the mobs armor mitigates it. Ideally, you either want to go heavy elemental, or heavy physical. Everyone runs Anger and wrath, some hatred, so you do get some elemental damage even if you go heavy physical. If you want to go with a lot of elemental damage, use elemental weakness, blackgleam, hatred, and a tri-elemental bow. Don't take iron grip, and pick up the additional 3 WED nodes in the middle along with any elemental damage passives you can snag in your tree.

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Pam wrote:

Blackgleam is garbage because you're killing your phys in order to gain some tooltip dps, with some phys life leech you can test by yourself and see that using a blackgleam will reduce your phys below the armor threshold where it's going to be heavely mitigated.

Rare quiver is the way to go, even though blackgleam is great for screenshots of pro tooltidps

About the guide, I feel it's still somewhat relevant despite the inner force nerf, I'm waiting for a skilltree change to update it

Cosnsidering most of my damage is elemental even w/o blackgleams i dont see the issue - unless you meant stack + physical damage affixes on gear and not use WED gem on ROA.

I've tried both scenarios: Lioneye's + rare quiver versus Lioneye's + blackgleam.
It's not just the tool-tip dps that gets gimped when you use rare quiver.
Currently, there are not enough passives and gear-affixes that boost physical damage compared with all of elemental damage affixes.
Even with 0.11's upgrades to Rustic Sashes (up to +25% physical) or Magnate belt (up to 40% physical), we currently don't have a support gem that can upgrade physical damage whilst elemental damage does (i.e. weapon elemental damage support gem).

I use Life leech with my lioneye's, so adding more dps (regardless of physical vs elemental) helps me reach the 20% max life/second leech capacity.

And, you guys already make a great case about the elemental auras that most bow users run: Anger, Wrath, Hatred. With these 3 auras on, the synergy with Weapon Elemental Damage simply cannot be overlooked. There's a reason why converting Lioneye's to elemental damage works so well!

One can argue that using Lightning Arrow with Lioneye's provides sufficient physical to elemental conversion. However, Rain of Arrows absolutely requires Blackgleam for the conversion.

Here is my gear for reference.
As you can see, as much as I want to use that rare quiver, the blackgleam is absolutely required for both effective dps and effective sustain.

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Castablanca wrote:

One can argue that using Lightning Arrow with Lioneye's provides sufficient physical to elemental conversion. However, Rain of Arrows absolutely requires Blackgleam for the conversion.

If anything Blackgleam is required with la because all the phys part of your dmg is 100% mitigated wtf

With iron grip, lyoneye, roa & conc, the avg phys dmg is a bit above 600 average, using a blackgleam result in the loss of 90% of that damage the way armor work - unless you're playing with point blank, and only on high rolls. That phys dmg isn't affected by resistances or curses, but can benefit from life leech on gear.

I've tried gear which would help blackgleam in the situation (high %wed, little or no elemental damage), and it's not as good as 36% wed quiver if you take the 10% ias out of the equation which isn't that huge of an upgrade anyway. I also had a 11% fire ammy.

quiver
694c
1516f
1029l
642p
blackgleam
624c - 70
2226f +710
914l - 115
320p - mitigated, so that probably can be rounded to the loss of 550 - 600 phys
The higher flat elemental you get on gear the better a regular quiver is

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unless you meant stack + physical damage affixes on gear and not use WED gem on ROA.

gtfo

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Pam wrote:

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Castablanca wrote:

One can argue that using Lightning Arrow with Lioneye's provides sufficient physical to elemental conversion. However, Rain of Arrows absolutely requires Blackgleam for the conversion.

If anything Blackgleam is required with la because all the phys part of your dmg is 100% mitigated wtf

Please participate in the following thread that's trying to get Lioneye's nerfed.

http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/429780/page/1

I tried to defend Lioneye's by explaining that we really are limited to Blackgleam's for most builds within reach. But, the OP and a huge bandwagon are dead set on nerfing Lioneye's to oblivion.