worthless standtard roa garbage guide

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Edzilla wrote:

I'm going to stay Blood Magic, untill I can get a 6L, so I can slap on BM gem and use hatred, haste, determination, and vitality.

Also, i'm using a Frenzy+GMP+LGoH+Culling Strike link to help with regen and kill speed - may even be an option for no regen/half regen maps for you - just link it to BM (you still get LgoH even if you deal zero damage.)

On a sidenote, i'm kind of confused on what curses to use. Enfeeble I always have on my when needed, but projectile weakness, elemental weakness, or vulnerability?

I use proj weakness. And for voidbearers, they are super dumb and will attack things at long range so contrary to our usual approach, you should place your totems farther away from them so they survive.

If you want some better gear in HC for the build, I can help you out. I've got a massive stockpile of items. my IGN is GreyKnife.

This is probably a completely stupid question because I am sure that I am blatantly missing something. I am new to RoA.

Can someone please explain how the OP and others are able to not use life leech gem in their gear? With Blood Magic/RoA/Conc/Faster Attacks/WED as the links and 4 frenzy charges for IAS I deplete me health incredibly fast. I didn't see any life leech on the gear for the OP, so how do you link blood magic to the attacks and live?

Thank you!

God, thanks a lot for this guide, I'm having a ton of fun with it.

Now Ranger level 81 in Anarchy and I've finally came to the point I find that the build completly works.

I've done 5 rangers in the past and this one had the hardest time reaching this point. But now, damn it's fun. I was completly noob to ROA when I started Anarchy and I've followed the physical ranger build to start. At level 60 I was not happy with it anymore and I've started respec like crazy, it cost me a lot of regrets. Now I'm here:



Build edited, i forgot some points.


I've used Point Blank for some time but i've removed it, for solo farming it was good but for teamplay in maps > lvl 70 I found it was way too risky. And I like to be at range. I use static Blows, I like to play solo too.

I have 3khp, running Anger Wrath Grace Purity with Alpha Howl.

ROA is: BM > LL > Concentrated > Faster Attacks. Next step is to 3RRR my Carcass (self-found) to be able to use WED. Or to 6L it. 350 chroms and no RRR yet.

I've used mana for ROA for a long time, I did not want to get rid of WED, but now I've had to use BM and LL. Dps tooltip is less impressive, but it works so much well.


Gear:






Actually I'm thinking the best would be to do ROA RRRGB on next bow.

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Pam wrote:

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Castablanca wrote:

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One can argue that using Lightning Arrow with Lioneye's provides sufficient physical to elemental conversion. However, Rain of Arrows absolutely requires Blackgleam for the conversion.

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If anything Blackgleam is required with la because all the phys part of your dmg is 100% mitigated wtf

With iron grip, lyoneye, roa & conc, the avg phys dmg is a bit above 600 average, using a blackgleam result in the loss of 90% of that damage the way armor work - unless you're playing with point blank, and only on high rolls. That phys dmg isn't affected by resistances or curses, but can benefit from life leech on gear.

I've tried gear which would help blackgleam in the situation (high %wed, little or no elemental damage), and it's not as good as 36% wed quiver if you take the 10% ias out of the equation which isn't that huge of an upgrade anyway. I also had a 11% fire ammy.

quiver
694c
1516f
1029l
642p
blackgleam
624c - 70
2226f +710
914l - 115
320p - mitigated, so that probably can be rounded to the loss of 550 - 600 phys
The higher flat elemental you get on gear the better a regular quiver is

Enemies mostly have less than 5k armor (some even less than 1k), but for the sake of it, lets assume every single enemy in the game runs around with 10k armor.

320 physical damage hit
10k / ( 320 x 12 + 10k ) = 0.72 = 72% damage reduction
This would reduce the 320 damage hit to 89 damage.

642 physical damage hit
10k / (642 x 12 + 10k) = 0.56 = 56% damage reduction
This would reduce the 642 damage hit to 282 damage.

You lose about 200 physical damage against targets with 10k armor (when comparing WED Quiver to Blackgleam).
You lose 70 cold and 115 lightning (due to the missing WED). You gain 710 firedmg.
Blackgleam wins even in your example. (even without factoring in the attackspeed).

Against targets with 20k armor it is 83% damage reduction (320p) vs 72% damage reduction (642p).
That amounts to 54 physical damage vs 179 physical damage.
As you can see, the higher we go in armor, the less damage we lose with blackgleam when compared to a WED quiver. (in your example)
This means that blackgleam becomes stronger (when compared to a WED quiver) the more armor an enemy has.

Even in your example (and completely ignoring the attackspeed) blackgleam adds more damage than the perfect WED quiver (in total).
You talked about this a lot and claimed a bunch of things, but talking isnt calculating.
I calculated it, and blackgleam amounts to about 100-300 base FIRE damage on the quiver depending on build.

No other quiver has 100-300 base fire damage, your perfect WED quiver doesnt even come close.
This base fire damage then is further scaled up by additional WED increases from the passives (they are additive to the physical passives in regards to converted damage, but you only have iron grip and ROA physical increase, which means you can more than double that amount with WED increases from passives and gear) and last but not least it is almost doubled by more weapon elemental damage support.
On my RoA marauder blackgleam would amount to about 1250+ firedamage (since i specifically build him to abuse blackgleam).

Fact of the matter is, you can never lose more physical damage than 50% of your total physical damage due to blackgleam (when comparing it to a WED quiver), regardless of armor values, because that armor reduces both physical damage values (the one with blackgleam and the one without blackgleam are both affected by that armor).
All that armor does, is tip this calculation further in blackgleam´s favor (because the damage reduction values get so high in value that they reduce both physical damage components to almost nothing, in which case blackgleam flat out wins because it adds huge amounts of base firedamage and a lot of final firedamage, while only losing minimal cold and lightning damage and some tooltip physical which never was there to begin with.


You can talk all day long, what matters are calculations.
I calculated, that, even in your example, blackgleam would add more damage, and your build isnt optimized to abuse blackgleam. Blackgleam is the best quiver for damage.

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Pam wrote:

Blackgleam is garbage because you're killing your phys in order to gain some tooltip dps, with some phys life leech you can test by yourself and see that using a blackgleam will reduce your phys below the armor threshold where it's going to be heavely mitigated.

You just claim that without actually calculating anything, which is why you dont actually know what you are talking about. You are using that argument completely backwards as you can see in my calculations.
By using blackgleam, you convert some of the fake physical damage that would have been reduced by armor, to actual elemental damage, and much more than the original value.
In your example, the 642 phys damage are actually only 282 real damage (depending on armor values).
By using blackgleam, you can convert some of that fake tooltip damage into real fire damage.
Not only will your tooltip damage be greater, but your actual damage will be far greater.
On zero armor opponents blackgleam wins. On high armor opponents, blackgleam beats perfect WED quivers even more convincingly.

The actual argument is therefore the following:
The more armor an opponent has, the better blackgleam becomes.
Since blackgleam already beats a perfect WED quiver on zero armor opponents, blackgleam wins period.

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lets assume every single enemy in the game runs around with 10k armor.

well, that's not the case, the value of armor from monsters isn't known to the players so basing your calculations on a chosen number out of nowhere is pointless, just like the paragraph you wrote or what you do in standard.
It seems like that number is known after all after a quick research, at least in the worst case scenario. I was wrong in the amount of mitigation, it's way lower than what I expected (close to 33% for the lowest hit - around 12% for the highest for a blackgleam user), but the mitigation without blackgleam is close to 20% for the lowest hit and gets below 10% quickly.

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On zero armor opponents blackgleam wins. On high armor opponents, blackgleam gets even more stronger than a WED quiver.

So either 0 or 10k armor ? Anything to try to make sense I guess, too bad it's nowhere close to reality.

So yeah blackgleam is better than what I initially thought, but nowhere near as good as "blackgleam wins" unless you're a standtard, and that's compared to a 36% wed quiver, which can provide a lot more dps wise.

edit: just saw that the question originated from nephalim, I should check poestatistics before answering, there's no point to speak with people having more /deaths than dps

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Pam wrote:

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lets assume every single enemy in the game runs around with 10k armor.

well, that's not the case, the value of armor from monsters isn't known to the players so basing your calculations on a chosen number out of nowhere is pointless, just like the paragraph you wrote or what you do in standard.
It seems like that number is known after all after a quick research, at least in the worst case scenario. I was wrong in the amount of mitigation, it's way lower than what I expected (close to 33% for the lowest hit - around 12% for the highest for a blackgleam user), but the mitigation without blackgleam is close to 20% and gets below 10% quickly.

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On zero armor opponents blackgleam wins. On high armor opponents, blackgleam gets even more stronger than a WED quiver.

So either 0 or 10k armor ? Anything to try to make sense I guess, too bad it's nowhere close to reality.

So yeah blackgleam is better than what I initially thought, but nowhere near as good as "blackgleam wins" unless you're a standtard, and that's compared to a 36% wed quiver, which can provide a lot more dps wise.

What are you actually arguing with that bolded part?
Blackgleam wins vs a WED quiver against zero armor opponents.
The higher you increase their armor, the better blackgleam becomes, thus it doesnt matter what the reality is, since it will always favor blackgleam.
The armor values i used are just examples to demonstrate how blackgleam becomes better and better the more armor opponents have, and how it beats WED quivers even with low armor values.
Therefore it is not pointless, because it pointed out that you were wrong about blackgleam adding fake dps. In actuality it removes fake dps and adds real dps.

In all of those calculations i havent even included the 10% attackspeed, which puts blackgleam way above a WED quiver.

Besides, what does nephalim´s death count have to do with his question?
He asked which quiver was ideal, a rare or blackgleam.
If we go by dps, then blackgleam always wins.
If we go by survivability, then other quivers obviously are better.
I say, go with blackgleam because you cannot match blackgleams dps increase with any other itemslot except for the bow itself.
If you arent maxed out on resistances yet, go with a resistance quiver instead.

The probability of getting a perfect WED quiver with 10% attackspeed and also a lot of life, is pretty slim, and even if such a quiver is in existence, you trade a fuckton of REAL dps for some extra life.
If you really need that life, go for it. If you dont need that life, go for blackgleam.

You are just a hardcore elitist scrub that doesnt even know how to calculate the stuff he is talking about, and you expect to be taken seriously?
You are making false claims and back it up with your hardcore character.
You are hardcore indeed. Hardcore pathetic.

There are a bunch of other things in your OP that are flat out wrong, but i dont care to disprove them aswell, i leave that to someone else.

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gh0un wrote:

You can talk all day long, what matters are calculations.

that's a bit harsh. it was only my 2 cents in a short paragraph, nothing more nothing less.

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Castablanca wrote:

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gh0un wrote:

You can talk all day long, what matters are calculations.

that's a bit harsh. it was only my 2 cents in a short paragraph, nothing more nothing less.

That wasnt directed at you, it was directed at pam who claims stuff (and assumes the opposite of what is actually the case) without backing it up with actual proof or calculations.
My post pretty much proves why blackgleam deals more damage than a WED quiver when it comes to RoA. Its not even close.

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gh0un wrote:

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Castablanca wrote:

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gh0un wrote:

You can talk all day long, what matters are calculations.

that's a bit harsh. it was only my 2 cents in a short paragraph, nothing more nothing less.

That wasnt directed at you, it was directed at pam who claims stuff (and assumes the opposite of what is actually the case) without backing it up with actual proof or calculations.
My post pretty much proves why blackgleam deals more damage than a WED quiver when it comes to RoA. Its not even close.

I totally agree with your point about Blackgleam's.
Have you seen the thread complaining about Lioneye's Glare, calling for it to be nerfed?
In that thread, I attempted to make the case that Lioneye's Glare does have a weakness, which is the absolute necessity to use Blackgleam's quiver, thereby sacrificing valuable affixes that would otherwise be on better rare quivers.

That thread (and Lioneye's Glare) really needs your support and calculations. Because the OP of that thread doesn't even have a lioneye's and is arguing that it has no downsides based on the affixes on the actual item.

The thread:
http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/429780/page/1

Hello,

I need advice for lower levels, like 30-40, since rain of arrows isn't working well at those lvls, what could you advice? I can't find which skills you are using, curses, traps or whatever. I'm new to this, i didn't watch any race streams so i can't decide what is best to use. Also, what kind of gear do i need, armor/eva, pure armor, where to get dmg, etc... Please advices