Dr. Jordan B. Peterson

As Ive listened to Jordan Peterson some, it seems like he is really doing a great job of turning young men (who are down on their luck and are susceptible to being lured into hate groups) away from these hate groups and he is encouraging them to take responsibility and turn their lives around through hard work and perseverance.

It is actually amazing that anyone doesnt love what this guy is doing. I cannot believe he has a single critic.

The large amount of critics of Jordan Peterson have made me realize: there are actually people who genuinely want masses of people to quit work and they want to see society devolve; and the reasons are simply out of pure hatred and spite.

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Khoranth wrote:

The large amount of critics of Jordan Peterson have made me realize: there are actually people who genuinely want masses of people to quit work and they want to see society devolve; and the reasons are simply out of pure hatred and spite.

I disagree with the word "genuinely." I think there are people who don't care about such things and desire equality of outcome, but I don't think many of them understand the hard truth of communism: the only way to achieve equality of outcome is to make everyone equally dead.

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Khoranth wrote:

The large amount of critics of Jordan Peterson have made me realize: there are actually people who genuinely want masses of people to quit work and they want to see society devolve; and the reasons are simply out of pure hatred and spite.

I don't think they've honestly thought it out to that outcome, what they want is to help a different group of people, often not out of hatred but because they feel that men are doing fine, and don't need help, and somehow don't think that the same help that men receive from Dr. Peterson, can easily be received by other groups. His works are less targeted to men than what many people seem to think, they're just received more by men because other groups are already being targeted for what he's offering.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

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Khoranth wrote:

The large amount of critics of Jordan Peterson have made me realize: there are actually people who genuinely want masses of people to quit work and they want to see society devolve; and the reasons are simply out of pure hatred and spite.

I disagree with the word "genuinely." I think there are people who don't care about such things and desire equality of outcome, but I don't think many of them understand the hard truth of communism: the only way to achieve equality of outcome is to make everyone equally dead.

I think I see what you mean. Agreed.

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j33bus wrote:

I don't think they've honestly thought it out to that outcome, what they want is to help a different group of people, often not out of hatred but because they feel that men are doing fine, and don't need help, and somehow don't think that the same help that men receive from Dr. Peterson, can easily be received by other groups. His works are less targeted to men than what many people seem to think, they're just received more by men because other groups are already being targeted for what he's offering.

I don't know, if they want to help other people, great. But that does not explain the pure hatred and vitriol we see out of the far left for Jordan Peterson. It's one thing to feel that men dont need help, but that should not lead to the wicked hatred we see on display.

Peterson is literally leading people, who would otherwise be susceptible to demonic stormfront type nonsense, away from that devilry. Everyone (except stormfront types) should be applauding that.

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Khoranth wrote:

Peterson is literally leading people, who would otherwise be susceptible to demonic stormfront type nonsense, away from that devilry. Everyone (except stormfront types) should be applauding that.

If your position on white people is "whites are inherently racist," then stormfegs are confirmation of your narrative and everyone who is led "away from that devilry" is a walking refutation of ypur argument. It's a grave mistake to believe that intersectional identitarians want to see equality for all; instead, they want to see a segregated world wherein the Other are driven off and rights are not individual but derivative of group identity. Richard Spencer loves both Israel and Wakanda, and is on record saying so; what argument would Wakandans have against a white ethnostate?

It's called a pincer attack. Poison as food and poison as antidote.

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Khoranth wrote:

The large amount of critics of Jordan Peterson have made me realize: there are actually people who genuinely want masses of people to quit work and they want to see society devolve; and the reasons are simply out of pure hatred and spite.

Systems collapsing and being rebuilt is the natural order of human civilization. I think people in first world countries need to make a stand for their livelihoods. And stand against those who threaten to degrade their quality of life through irresponsible policies. Whether through immigration, or disastrous economic policies.

It's been too long since the peasants gave the powerful a gut check in the western world. We're massively overdue. Things like this need to happen from time to time, just to keep the system more honest than it would be if everyone just fell into line and did what they were told. In many cases, better systems arose from such events.

I don't think lowly enough of humanity to believe that the best possible system we can come up with is Democracy. Systems need to have their faults reined in, so we can continue to evolve and improve. And the powerful need to be reminded from time to time that they're outnumbered, and if they cross the line, they might find angry torch bearing peasants calling for their heads.

I liked Peterson before he went super-duper-popular. His psychology lecture courses are a blast. I've seen Maps of Meaning and Personality 2017, learned a lot.

The social agenda bores me and I don't like the direction his fame is pushing him in. In an ideal world, he would stick to psychology and metaphysics. He's becoming more and more preachy over time.

All these social issues-related youtube videos are cringeworthy. Jordan Peterson SCHOOLS [complete fucktard], Jordan Peterson DESTROYS SJW [who probably can't lace her/its/their/his shoes straight], etc. I couldn't finish the Cathy Newman interview, it was just too painful to watch. She opens her mouth and utter nonsense comes out.

Yes, yes, he owns morons in debates on social issues. :golf clap:

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

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Khoranth wrote:

Peterson is literally leading people, who would otherwise be susceptible to demonic stormfront type nonsense, away from that devilry. Everyone (except stormfront types) should be applauding that.

If your position on white people is "whites are inherently racist," then stormfegs are confirmation of your narrative and everyone who is led "away from that devilry" is a walking refutation of ypur argument. It's a grave mistake to believe that intersectional identitarians want to see equality for all; instead, they want to see a segregated world wherein the Other are driven off and rights are not individual but derivative of group identity. Richard Spencer loves both Israel and Wakanda, and is on record saying so; what argument would Wakandans have against a white ethnostate?

It's called a pincer attack. Poison as food and poison as antidote.

Wow, this actually helps me alot,thanks; although you probably disagree with my assessment.

Alt-left (communist types) and alt right (stormfront types) have the same master. And that master designs that each group will increase the membership of the opposing group; to better serve the master.

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Khoranth wrote:

It is actually amazing that anyone doesnt love what this guy is doing. I cannot believe he has a single critic.

The large amount of critics of Jordan Peterson have made me realize.....

You are generalizing his critics. I consider myself to be both a fan and a critic.

Firstly the positive (and I want to share this because it's important to me): I always remember people telling me that eating breakfast is important but never really listened. Jordan actually explains why it's important, especially for people who suffer from stress, anxiety and depression, and he does so in a logical and scientific manner.

I was having some very serious issues with depression after an especially challenging period of my life and waking up every morning felt horrific. The last thing I wanted to do was eat, but he explained why you have to force yourself to do it in enough logical detail that I gave it a try. It made an immense difference to my life. I'm embarrassed to say that, but it is what it is, eating breakfast helped me hugely and I did it because of his explanation.

The fundamental problem I have with him is that he follows all his own advice, and is still on anti-depressants. That is not a trivial point. He cleaned his room, he took on responsibility, he became a specialist with a skill, he achieved financial success, he has a big iq, he eats all the diet stuff he says to, and at the end of it he is still on anti depressants. Following his own steps hasn't led him to any sense of personal enlightenment or inner peace, he's still angry and frustrated and depressed, and he's admitted this. I think it's an astonishingly important and oft overlooked point.

If you want to understand things like how your diet can change your mood, he's a great guy for giving a solid scientific explanation. If you want to find inner peace or any sort of "light at the end of the tunnle", his advice isn't going to get you there.

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MonstaMunch wrote:

The fundamental problem I have with him is that he follows all his own advice, and is still on anti-depressants. That is not a trivial point. He cleaned his room, he took on responsibility, he became a specialist with a skill, he achieved financial success, he has a big iq, he eats all the diet stuff he says to, and at the end of it he is still on anti depressants. Following his own steps hasn't led him to any sense of personal enlightenment or inner peace, he's still angry and frustrated and depressed, and he's admitted this. I think it's an astonishingly important and oft overlooked point.

It's because he's pretty much a SJW. Trying to be a SJW will do that to you. Steer clear of all that social and political shit for a happy life is what I would recommend. Source: I don't read news, I don't give a fuck about social issues, not on antidepressants and don't need them.