Donald Trump and US politics

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pneuma wrote:

WaPo and Breitbart are terrible sources.

Yeah, if you're tossing those two in the same category, I don't believe we're going to reach a point of agreement. I'm beyond tired of the false equivalencies that keep being thrown around.

I know the right demonizes legitimate news sources, but I'm not on the right. I don't buy the bullshit you're selling. The Washington Post, like nearly every other other news organization the right deems "fake news," has journalistic integrity and follows standard ethical practices. Breitbart is a right-wing, propaganda-driven hate site. They post sensationalist bullshit and lies.

There's a fundamental difference between legitimate news sources and the propaganda machines of the right that prey on the delusional and uneducated. There's a reason even Fox News, one of the most respectable right-wing "news" outlets, calls themselves an entertainment network instead of a news network. Very few organizations on the right adhere to journalistic standards and practices.

Regardless of all that, my point in that post was that a guy who literally calls the best, most accurate news sources available the Lügenpresse is getting his "news" from vastly inferior, far less trustworthy sources. I'm sure such a point is lost on him, though.

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Jennik wrote:

What are the very real news sources you use to acquire the very factual information you always post that clearly isn't loaded with dishonest propaganda?

Any news source can lie, distort or misrepresent... and on a long enough timeline, inevitably will.

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Jennik wrote:

I'm beyond tired of the false equivalencies that keep being thrown around.

They're not false, but they are equivalencies.

Here's the kind of bullshit news that you are defending.

I mean, I'm sorry that you feel attacked because I'm insinuating that the news you love don't have your best interests in mind.

I don't really consider myself on the American Right, didn't vote for Trump, don't think he's doing a very good job as president. Mostly just frustrated watching what I thought were a bunch of level-headed people get turned into rah-rah team sports fans.

Don't be absurd. What's your standard for a good news organization, literal perfection? That was a person being wrong about something. It happens. It's not remotely the same as Breitbart's unending campaign of lies and propaganda. Demonizing the entire network for occasional honest mistakes is the same sort of dishonest tactic the right uses on blacks, immigrants, refugees, Muslims, and the rest of the "other" groups they so passionately hate.

Again, I don't buy into your bullshit false equivalencies.

Still, I'd say CNN is the worst of the major news channels. It's not because they're imperfect humans who are occasionally wrong about things, though. It's because they hire Trump apologists to go on air and spew lies and propaganda every day in some laughable idea of "balance," as if sanity and insanity should be given equal weight and an equal voice. That's just absurd.

At least with Fox you know right-wing insanity is their whole game. CNN's legitimate news coverage provides cover for their terrible right-wing propaganda.

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Jennik wrote:

Don't be absurd. What's your standard for a good news organization, literal perfection?

Of course not. I do draw a line at doxxing civilians who make stupid meme gifs. But at any rate, you already agreed that CNN is garbage.

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pneuma wrote:

I do draw a line at doxxing civilians who make stupid meme gifs.

Sure, if you want to take the dishonest right-wing propagandists' view on that event. I see it more as a news organization investigating and reporting the news. If you want to take a break from that alternate right-wing reality, give this a read. There's a ton of unnecessary filler in the article, but the relevant bits are there. You can also find plenty of alternate sources explaining that any claims of doxxing are ridiculous.

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pneuma wrote:

But at any rate, you already agreed that CNN is garbage.

For completely different reasons. Yours are still terrible.

You know you are /leftypol/ tier when you complain about CNN being too right-wing.

It's not about left and right. It's about true and false. It's about fact and fiction.

Very rare conservative outlets like The Wall Street Journal have journalistic integrity and ethical standards. They consistently print articles that agree with reality. I have no issue with this. My issue is with the worst of right-wing media, which is damn near everything else at this point. The Trump apologists regularly go on air and spout pure fabrications. They deny the most clear and obvious facts about reality. Articles from sites like Breitbart are no better. As a rational person who cares more about having an accurate understanding of reality than about hating the "other," I take issue with this.

CNN has always had plenty of conservatives on their channel. It's only in recent years that they've been hiring more and more of this new breed of right-wing propagandist. They traded in their credibility for ratings.

Today's right-wingers live and breathe the sort of counterfactual propaganda their right-wing insanity outlets produce. It's telling that CNN, which has never been a left-wing organization, is still demonized as the Lügenpresse by people like you (though most Trumpers don't throw around Nazi propaganda as readily as you, instead using the co-opted and bastardized term "fake news"). The right has turned completely away from reality.

When factual news is given far less credence by the right than the insanity and lies of Alex Jones and Sean Hannity, the cancer growing in them should be obvious to everyone.

Account names are pen-names. Pseudonymity.

Would you consider it doxxing if Breitbart ran an article talking about how Jennik made a stupid meme post on the poeforums, followed by running your real name? I would absolutely think you would since you didn't make those posts with your real name attached.

CNN was 100% in the wrong and I can't possibly see how you defend their actions. Must be your alternate left-wing reality.

You've readily swallowed all the other right-wing propaganda, so why not stick with this nonsense as well? I've already explained why the doxxing spin here is dishonest. If rational arguments aren't good enough for you, so be it.

And, yeah, if Breitbart was investigating me, found out that I posted a variety of monstrously racist garbage, and also discovered my identity, my name would be relevant news at that point. It would be entirely reasonable for them to publish it. I'm not sure how familiar you are with news reporting, but this is quite literally what news organizations have been doing since day one.

Dishonestly connecting standard reporting procedures with doxxing, which is reviled because it's used to attack and hurt people by releasing their home address, email address, SSN, children's names, place of work, and so on is ridiculous. It shows how much you care about honesty and accuracy vs. how much you care about hating the groups you're supposed to hate.