Donald Trump and US politics

Bash the fash.

"I mean, in Amon Göth's defense, someone did steal a chicken... so..."

^ this thread

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Antnee wrote:

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鬼殺し wrote:

I have to say, in the face of such evidence of malicious intent I do wonder if your attempts to excuse the behaviour away as "defensive" or "instinctive" make you less objective in this than you'd like to appear. That would be...hmm, not good.

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Fuck all of you that are defending this, for even a moment.

Hmm... let me rephrase then?

That is going to be his defense.
I think he's guilty as fuck and deserves jail.
In addition to being guilty as fuck, the judge is going to push for the maximum possible sentence.

Sorry I wasn't rabid enough, guys.

I think he's guilty of vehicular manslaughter, but not 2nd degree murder, and most definitely not domestic terrorism.

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鬼殺し wrote:

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MrSmiley21 wrote:

who're just sick of the SJWs and PC bullshit.

Quoted the whole thing because it's a gold mine of "oh shit this explains so much".

Your bolding omitted the clause which explained the difference. JUST - indicates they are there for one reason, and states the reason, which isn't supremacism or neonazism. Further, the logic that the people there must all be neonazis (or their kin) would mean that everyone attending- victim included were so aligned. We know that isn't true, so painting everyone at the rally as being evil is stereotyping. Some probably were, maybe even most. There is a project underway trying to identify people at the rally, so they can see what they have said in public.

There is also a counter project to see how many of these people were bused in by the left to foment violence, and which ones actually work for progressives, but pretended to be Trump supporters. It's surreal, but then again this is the biggest poker game on the planet, and mere citizens' lives are just playing chips to both sides.

Apologies for any formatting errors, only phone access at the moment.

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鬼殺し wrote:

+5 (enlightening)

So you can't be a white supremacist espousing Nazi ideology if you're under the age of 40.

That's handy for anyone here under the age of forty who might seem to sympathise with them.

Good stuff.

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What people like you fail to accept and realize is that the political tides are turning, and you couldn't be more demonstrably blind to it. And it doesn't have anything to do with neonazis or KKK. Normal people are sick of the political atmosphere in this country, and are starting to take to the streets. Groups of people who haven't taken to the streets ever for anything. It's not going to go away if you stick your hands over your eyes like a 5 year old and say "CANT SEE YOU, nanananananana".

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鬼殺し wrote:

Ah, argumentum ad populum from someone who uses the term 'antifa' as a synonym for 'enemy of my political stance' and has expressed a desire to see left-winged people physically hurt for standing up for their beliefs.

They're bringing violence to some of these rallies. So when they get a taste of their own medicine, they simply get what they're giving.

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Who apparently doesn't realise in order to be 'anti' something, that something must exist in the first place, i.e. antifa or 'anti-fascist' movements are a *reaction* to fascist behaviour rather than pro-actively anti-social ex nihilo.

What Fascism? Most of them have no clue what Fascism is, and simply think Conservative/Republican/Libertarian = Fascist. They're clueless hacks. It's comical how stupid they are.

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PS As for the 'political atmosphere', that's probably defined by who is currently in political power. Hint: it's not left-winged PC SJW Antifa cucks, as you'd put it.

A lot of it has to do with the media, not just elected officials. And a great number of other factors.

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Oh, wait, no. Trump LOST the popular vote.

By 2.8 MILLION VOTES.

That's not how the rules of the system dictate who the winner is. Trump won. You can get over it now. He won by a landslide in the electoral college.

2 baseball teams face off in a 7 game world series, and one team scored more total runs in the 7 game series, but still lost the series, because the winning team won 4 games.

So what does the left do? They get mad because the team that scored more runs didn't win the series, and they're supposed to change the rules on the fly to change outcomes they don't like. So let's go out in the street, riot, burn cars, break windows, destroy property, assault misc people who "look" Republican - because my candidate lost. That's the militant left. Most of them are socially maladjusted millennials, who're spoiled and rarely got told "no" by mommy and daddy.

The "he lost the popular vote argument" is getting rather old.

1. Get over it he won the rules were made before the start of the race, you can't change then during the game because it doesn't make you happy.

2. If you're against the electoral college you should read some books about the history of the USA and how Democracy works in general, because you clearly do not seems to have a single clue there.

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鬼殺し wrote:

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MrSmiley21 wrote:

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soneka101 wrote:

And about the self-defense thing: Well, things can get messy, It's not impossible for something unexpected to happen, but if you think its worth the risk, then do your thing. Your life, your choices.

Not all of the protesters were neo-nazi and KKK. Most of them were college age people in their 20s and 30s who're just sick of the SJWs and PC bullshit. And this rally definitely didn't serve as an example to stifle future participation in rallies by said groups. If anything, this is just the beginning. The media has absolute 0 credibility among at least 50%+ of Americans.

+5 (enlightening)

So you can't be a white supremacist espousing Nazi ideology if you're under the age of 40.

That's handy for anyone here under the age of forty who might seem to sympathise with them.

Good stuff.

My previous post was removed for personal attacks. To clarify, I intend to attack an ideological group.

The alt-right are a strawman. They are useful idiots for controlled opposition to leftwing postmodernist deconstructionism. This is easy to see, because 1) the goals the alt-right seeks to achieve exactly match up with the SJW narrative of the unjust status quo, 2) the goals of the SJWs exactly match up to the alt-right narrative of the unjust status quo, and 3) when their defense of anonymity is penetrated, the alt-right is systematically persecuted, unlike the SJWs (thus the SJWs are not controlled opposition to the alt-right). Both the alt-right and SJWs are fervently illiberal and dedicated to the destruction of civil liberties for disfavored groups. Two sides of the same coin. Poison as food and poison as antidote.

To any sane dissenter of the growing far left social hegemony, Charlottesville was a complete disaster, and the alt-right is a complete disaster. The far-left was handed a near-perfect ideological victory which will now fuel further Patriot Acts and PRISMs, drawing the US closer to totalitarianism. To any sane observer, such an incident would never again be attempted. But I fear Smiley is correct about one thing and one thing only: this is, unfortunately, just the beginning. As we speak, the alt-right is basking in the satisfaction of bloody revenge.

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MrSmiley21 wrote:

They're bringing violence to some of these rallies. So when they get a taste of their own medicine, they simply get what they're giving.

See what I mean?

The solution is centrist classical liberalism. The Google diversity memo incident shows that, like the alt-right, centrists will also be picked off by SJWs for the crime of being right of Stalin when not cloaked by relative anonymity. But if centrism is conflated with white nationalism, we will never win the public debate.

Another thing Smiley is wrong about is the media having zero credibility. The use of "mainstream" is important but missing from Smiley's statement. Indeed, far too many put their faith in the easily abused anonymity of the media outlet known as /pol/ without any critical analysis.

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MrSmiley21 wrote:

I think he's guilty of vehicular manslaughter, but not 2nd degree murder, and most definitely not domestic terrorism.

How was this action any different to similar incidents that have been perpetrated throughout Europe. Let me guess, he isn't a 'brown' person!