Donald Trump and US politics

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Donnerdrummel wrote:

However, this is not about preventing people with mental problems from entering the military, it is about shutting and keeping out transgender people without considering their respective mental status.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

I think there are, broadly speaking, two types of transgender people:
1. those suffering under the illness of gender dysphoria, a rare but severe neurological/hormonal condition where one's self-perception of their own gender is in conflict with the reality of their sex, and
2. those who are not suffering in this way, and simply think it would be cool to be the other sex.

The biggest problem with the transgender movement is that those in group #2 attempt to infiltrate group #1. One can tell the left supports this because individuals truly belonging to group #1 can be verified via empirical testing — abnormal brain chemistry leaves physical evidence. Screenings could be conducted to objectively verify known physiological causes of gender dysphoria and prescribe to such people, and only such people, medically necessary treatments. However, the Left resists this, preferring instead that all claims of gender dysphoria go unchallenged, untested, and unchecked.

For those who do not suffer from gender dysphoria yet choose to be transgender, there is no medical urgency and procedures are cosmetic. That said, they should be at full liberty to modify their bodies however they choose, providing they pay for it themselves. Such "trans women" have no more claim to health insurance covering their boob job than a cisgender woman has for her boob job to be so covered... and no less of a right to buy one on the free market.

While I have no objection with non-dysphoric transgendered persons serving in the US military per se, I staunchly oppose any public funding of their hormone or sex reassignment procedures, and frankly I'm against any hormone therapy while on active duty whatsoever (while in reserves may be okay, or maybe not, I don't know). However, as a prerequisite for this acceptance, the afforementioned issues involving screening for dysphoria and differentiating the dysphoric from the non-dysphoric must first be resolved within the healthcare profession; prior to such reform, the impact on military healthcare would be an unacceptable clusterfuck.

At its core, however, being a non-dysphoric trans person is a matter of desire, not physical reality. Merely identifying as wanting to be a sex other than your current sex is but thoughts, and we shouldn't reject soldiers on the basis of "thought crime." Prohibitions should focus on the behaviors of sex change, not on speech. Claiming transgender on Facebook shouldn't get one kicked out of the Army.

For those who suffer from gender dysphoria, I sincerely acknowledge their victimhood, but the US military is not the place for victims. Such people should not be allowed entry into the armed forces.

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ImmaPokemon wrote:

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Schmodderhengst wrote:

Examination is enough, if you trust examinations in general.

So we remain here with different opinions as usual.

Btw the reasons for higher numbers of suicide attemps seem to be rejection by the family, society etc. ( https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5178031/ ).

So this is absolutely going the wrong direction.

If this was about money, there could be other solutions, not even mentioning, easy to imagine.

Its not about money, the US military has a bigger budged than all other countries combined. Its about discrimination.

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morbo wrote:

I do not believe, for a second, that the suicide rates are caused by the environment (people not accepting transgenders), because if that was so, we would have to observe the same high suicide rates among other groups that have been "discriminated" in the past, like eg. gays a decade or two ago.

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ImmaPokemon wrote:

Point 2 isnt true at all and i stopped reading there. I got trans friends and am active in the community.

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Schmodderhengst wrote:

BB Reince...

edit : my last post here will be "BB Donald" one fine day...