Donald Trump and US politics

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jackof8lades wrote:

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Schmodderhengst wrote:

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morbo wrote:

to cater to a specific sexuality group of confused people

It´s not about money. It´s about hate as presented here.

What hate? the us military has clear guidelines in their recruitment policies thats like saying they hate schizo's or ppl whit depression or flat feet or to tall/short ppl etc.
The fact of the matter is these ppl should never have been allowed to join in the first place.
On that subject why aren't you ppl virtue signalling for tall ppl are you tall phobic or short phobic or bad teeth phobic,were is the outrage for those ppl.

Totally agree, you can t even enter the police if you are under 1m75 for men, only reasons related to physical presence.

Bruce lee > can t police
Fat ass tall guy > totally police material.

I never heard of national outrage about those short stature laws.

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jackof8lades wrote:

What hate? the us military has clear guidelines in their recruitment policies thats like saying they hate schizo's or ppl whit depression or flat feet or to tall/short ppl etc.
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Don't worry about him. He's a german antifa, who thinks that everyone not agreeing with total liberalism is a hate filled alt-right nazi.

The military is discriminatory vs cripples & "special needs people" too... oh, my, when will the hate stop!!?! Can't we all just get along in the name of diverse eqwality??! Durr...

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Xavderion wrote:

In other news, Democrats took the bait?

Spoiler

Weird. I'd swear the democrats were in a culture war for decades now already...

Anyone can be excluded for the lack of physical conditions or for existing psychiatric problems, but why should anyone be for the pure fact of being transgender ?

I don´t see that.

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Schmodderhengst wrote:

Anyone can be excluded for the lack of physical conditions or for existing psychiatric problems, but why should anyone be for the pure fact of being transgender ?

I don´t see that.

PTSD personals are discharged from duty once they meet the criteria.
Being a transgender pose certain psychological problems as well as medical charges and evaluations if they transition when still in the army.

all in all even if they are fit to enter and been transitioning since a long time, what would append to them if they are on long missions and not able to take their medics. Would the hormonal imbalance trigger some dangerous reaction for the other crew members?

That argument seems a little constructed to me. Similar problem like running out of ammo, food, drinkable water or being caught, all of which probably worse...

Transgenders are already trying to kill themselves at a 45% rate when not in the military (aka when not under stress). You don't want people with a possible mental disorder in a high-stress, high-responsibility job. Moreover they have special medical needs already when still in basic training (hormones, boob jobs, ass jobs, plastic surgery, sex changes), not even talking about earning your medical bonuses AFTER you've done your rotations, served your country in combat and got your complementary PTSD / ruined back / fucked up knees / etc...

The taxpayers should not be forced to fund liberal social experiments. That's a good enough reason.

Examination is enough, if you trust examinations in general.

So we remain here with different opinions as usual.

Btw the reasons for higher numbers of suicide attemps seem to be rejection by the family, society etc. ( https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5178031/ ).

So this is absolutely going the wrong direction.

If this was about money, there could be other solutions, not even mentioning, easy to imagine.

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morbo wrote:

The taxpayers should not be forced to fund liberal social experiments. That's a good enough reason.

... this is not about preventing people with mental problems from entering the military. I assume there are already provisions in place for that. So I dont mind if a transexual is prevented from entering the military for the same reasons that a non-transsexual could experience the same.

However, this is not about preventing people with mental problems from entering the military, it is about shutting and keeping out transgender people without considering their respective mental status.

... this is not about not paying for higher than usual health costs. The costs are minimal, considered to be little more than a rounding error in respect to the military spending, less than 10 million per year. There are other costly aspects of persons that do not prevent them from entering the service, even when they're only habits. Smoking, for instance. I wonder how many billions the US spends every year for smoking-related costs.

However, this is not about keeping costs low, it is about shutting and keeping out transgender people without regard to the costs they might produce, because there are also transgender people that do not decide to transition and thus do not produce higher costs, and those, who already transitioned, and thus produce only slightly higher costs.

So no, there's no good reason for the announcement to shut out transgender people. With no regard to the person in question, they are to be kept out of the military based on the fact that they identify as transgender.

This is no social experiment, my dear, this is about justice. But you are, of course, free to keep your eyes closed and snore on.

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Schmodderhengst wrote:

Examination is enough, if you trust examinations in general.

So we remain here with different opinions as usual.

Btw the reasons for higher numbers of suicide attemps seem to be rejection by the family, society etc. ( https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5178031/ ).

So this is absolutely going the wrong direction.

If this was about money, there could be other solutions, not even mentioning, easy to imagine.

Its not about money, the US military has a bigger budged than all other countries combined. Its about discrimination.