Donald Trump and US politics

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soneka101 wrote:

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

The evidence does not at all point to Russia hacking. The evidence for the DNC emails points to an internal leak. The evidence for the Podesta emails points to a lowtech phishing attempt — not really a hack so much as social engineering — so easy that it could have been virtually anyone (Russia or Russians still a suspect, but so am I, and pretty much anyone with any significant IT skill). The evidence for state voter databases during the Democratic primaries is the Department of Homeland Security hacked them; when asked why they infiltrated those systems, DHS answer was "possible Russian hacking" without any evidence.

We're talking about multiple separate incidents here. The claim that one is Russia is dubious, but the notion that all are Russia is sheer stupidity.

Were cybercrimes committed? Yeah, probably. And I bet someone in the US was busted today for possession of marijuana, but that doesn't mean I, as a noncop, look down upon such behavior. If it's important for us to decriminalize recreational drug use, which is in no way necessary to the health of our society, then it's even more important to decriminalize whistleblowing, which is. That Julian Assange is holed up in an embassy avoiding bogus charges is a sad indictment of our societies.

So, you are saying that the evidence is weak, and the fact that Senators, both Republicans and Democrats that have access to classified information are all wrong?

Look, I can understand when Trump is able to put you against the free press, what I don't understand is that you will choose to believe his word and Putin's word over the word of the intel community and most of your senators. Who is next? Will you ditch the pentagon too?

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

The last time the evidence was weak, all the usual suspects were lined up saying Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. Scratch that — that US intelligence wasn't collecting data from millions of US citizens. So no, I don't trust any of those bastards. Evidence for assertions, or no credence.

Also, as much as they want us to believe otherwise, the mainstream media is but a portion of the free press.

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soneka101 wrote:

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

The last time the evidence was weak, all the usual suspects were lined up saying Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. Scratch that — that US intelligence wasn't collecting data from millions of US citizens. So no, I don't trust any of those bastards. Evidence for assertions, or no credence.

Also, as much as they want us to believe otherwise, the mainstream media is but a portion of the free press.

Between the US government, a bloody dictator that makes people disappear, and a supposedly billionaire that paid 25 million dollars to settle a lawsuit for fraud(among a whole lot of other things) I personally would choose the US government.

But that is just me OFC.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

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soneka101 wrote:

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

The last time the evidence was weak, all the usual suspects were lined up saying Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. Scratch that — that US intelligence wasn't collecting data from millions of US citizens. So no, I don't trust any of those bastards. Evidence for assertions, or no credence.

Also, as much as they want us to believe otherwise, the mainstream media is but a portion of the free press.

Between the US government, a bloody dictator that makes people disappear, and a supposedly billionaire that paid 25 million dollars to settle a lawsuit for fraud(among a whole lot of other things) I personally would choose the US government.

But that is just me OFC.

Nice to see you've given up completely on evaluating arguments based on their own merits and graduated to a thoroughly ad hominem approach.

I distrust everyone equally, in the equality-of-opportunity sense. My only regret is that I lack the time to distrust them further.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

The last time the evidence was weak, all the usual suspects were lined up saying Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. Scratch that — that US intelligence wasn't collecting data from millions of US citizens. So no, I don't trust any of those bastards. Evidence for assertions, or no credence.

Also, as much as they want us to believe otherwise, the mainstream media is but a portion of the free press.

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soneka101 wrote:

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

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soneka101 wrote:

Between the US government, a bloody dictator that makes people disappear, and a supposedly billionaire that paid 25 million dollars to settle a lawsuit for fraud(among a whole lot of other things) I personally would choose the US government.

But that is just me OFC.

Nice to see you've given up completely on evaluating arguments based on their own merits and graduated to a thoroughly ad hominem approach.

I distrust everyone equally, in the equality-of-opportunity sense. My only regret is that I lack the time to distrust them further.

Let me see... When you say that the intel community lacks credibility for something they've done in the past(lied about iraq) = argument

When I say Trump lacks credibility for something he has done in the past = ad hominem...

Seems like a double standard doesn't?

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

Not being able to prove a negative isn't a double standard. It's not a matter of trust, it's a matter of logic: Trump can't prove he didn't conspire with Russia to cheat the election, even if he didn't. Therefore, the burden of proof for this issue falls entirely upon the anti-Trump groups.

There are still plenty of things I don't trust Trump about.

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soneka101 wrote:

When Trump says "it wasn't Russia", when Putin says "it wasn't us", is false negative like you said they can't prove, so the ones that should prove is the IC and the Senators. I'm not an expert but I suppose the report on the hacking is confidential, so in the end is the IC and Senators word, against Putin and Trump's word. Again, you said the intel community lacks credibility, I said Trump and Putin lacks credibility, you said that by saying that I did an ad hominem attack.

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Suicide - Haiti Official Was To Testify on Clinton Foundation

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On Tuesday, July 18, former Haitian government official Klaus Eberwein was scheduled to appear before the Haitian Senate Ethics and Anti-Corruption Commission where he was expected to expose details about how the Clinton Foundation misappropriated Haiti earthquake donations from international donors.

However, the world may now never have a full accounting of just what went on because Eberwein – aged 50 - was found shot in the head in a Quality Inn at 14501 S. Dixie Hwy, in Miami last Wednesday.