Donald Trump and US politics

I prefer Magic the gathering

From the Washington Post this evening.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/special-counsel-is-investigating-trump-for-possible-obstruction-of-justice/2017/06/14/9ce02506-5131-11e7-b064-828ba60fbb98_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-banner-low_trumpmueller625pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.f79f4f7c421b

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The special counsel overseeing the investigation into Russia’s role in the 2016 election is interviewing senior intelligence officials as part of a widening probe that now includes an examination of whether President Trump attempted to obstruct justice, officials said.

The move by special counsel Robert S. Mueller III to investigate Trump’s conduct marks a major turning point in the nearly year-old FBI investigation, which until recently focused on Russian meddling during the presidential campaign and on whether there was any coordination between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin. Investigators have also been looking for any evidence of possible financial crimes among Trump associates, officials said.

Trump had received private assurances from then-FBI Director James B. Comey starting in January that he was not personally under investigation. Officials say that changed shortly after Comey’s firing....

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faerwin wrote:

Terrorism events are extremely rare compared to the amount of indivuals on the planet, compared to mass shooting. Heck, some of those mass shooting are considered act of terrorism and go in both category.

I bet the US has more mass shooting than there's act of terrorism world wide.

Really? There have been 1,151 terrorist kills in the last 19 days, that's 60.58 per day which would be over 22,000 in a year. Before you say anything about this month being special, let's look at the total number of people killed by terrorists in 2015 (Using that number since the 2016 Crime in the US data isn't available yet for comparison)

Terrorism 27,594

How does that compare with US shooting deaths (mass and otherwise)

There were 15,696 total murders and non-negligent manslaughter in the U.S. (counting all 50 states, plus Guam and the Virgin Islands). 71% of those deaths involved fire arms which leaves us with 11,144 killed by firearms in the US in 2015.

That means terrorists killed almost two and half times as people killing others with guns in the US.

Good thing you didn't actually wager any money.

Now if you had said illegal drug use in the US has caused more deaths than Terrorism and Guns in the US combined, you'd probably be right as illegal drugs killed at a record rate in 2016. 2017 may be worse.

"Drug deaths in the U.S. rose at the steepest rate ever to the highest level in recorded history in 2016, claiming more than 60,000 lives"

Arnt most firearms death suicide? Those shouldnt even count. Could use any number of methods from a belt to a bed sheet to pills. Then you have justifiable homicide. So really numbers are way lower than that even.

Don't forget about the Bernie Sanders supporter who shot up a baseball practice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pis26IksU48

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deathflower wrote:

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diablofdb wrote:

No the syrians are the responsability of Syrian governement, and the veterans are the responsability of USA governement, there.

Are you lot for limited government and against welfare? Everybody should get a job, taking care of yourself is your own responsibilities. If the government shouldn't be take care of the poor, the argument should be extend to veterans. They should be taking care of themselves and not the responsibility of USA government. No double standard nonsense.

I'm not saying we shouldn't help the poor, but did they risk their life to protect America? How many of those people on the street had their legs blown off by IEDs while holding up their cardboard signs?

How many of those poor were ordered by their commanders into areas pervaded by chemical fumes, smoke and other things that can and did jeopardize their long term health?

How many of those poor people went out there fighting Al Qaeda and ISIS to help make us safer?

Now consider that the combat experience is so traumatic that a very large number of the poor, especially the homeless is comprised of veterans. I seem to remember it's about 1/3 of the homeless, but not positive on the specific figure.

Society owes these people a debt, THAT's why we take care of them. If anyone wants to live in an alternate timeline where Hitler rules the world, or Osama Bin Laden has wiped out the West, then go ahead and imagine yourself there, but that doesn't take away from what these people sacrificed and accomplished.

We don't live in an imaginary world, and there are bad people out there. Someone has to stand on the line to prevent every would be thug from turning the world into their personal North Korea.

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Aim_Deep wrote:

Arnt most firearms death suicide? Those shouldnt even count. Could use any number of methods from a belt to a bed sheet to pills. Then you have justifiable homicide. So really numbers are way lower than that even.

I only included FBI data - which is Murders and Non-Negligent manslaughter. No suicides in those tables.