Donald Trump and US politics

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Raycheetah wrote:

Nothing there about rising sea levels or what have you. Just raw, SJW moral superiority and economic covetousness by proxy. =^[.]^=

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morbo wrote:

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deathflower wrote:

What the citizens does to help the environment and what the government does to help the environment aren't mutually exclusive.

If the government takes 100 USD from you every month, for your carbon footprint tax, would you still go out of your way to care about your personal consumption & pollution, or just assume the "damage you cause" is already covered by the tax and you can carry on with your usual life?

Its the difference between personal responsibility and socialized responsibility. Usually when something is socialized (eg. school system), most people feel like they are released from personal responsibility (eg. participating in their kids education).

Note that the gov is also heavily subject to corruption, so that $100 might not achieve anything but lining the pockets of some bureaucrats or "special interests", while you keep on thinking that you actually helped saving the Earth.

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deathflower wrote:

We have a viable carbon tax where goods and services that emit more carbon are taxed higher.

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Raycheetah wrote:

I absolutely believe in climate change, as has been happening for as long as Earth has had a climate. I am, however, unconvinced of any significant influence in those megascale climatic cycles by human activity. What I am convinced of is that there is significant socio-economic capital to be reaped by scaring everyone into believing there is, in order to rob them of both wealth and freedom. The transparently nonchalant energy-use behaviors of the AlGores, DiCaprios, and Musks of the world, along with the patently obvious political motives of many of their ilk, should provide sufficient evidence for skepticism of their claims and warnings, at least, for thinking folks. =^[.]^=

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SarahAustin wrote:

Yeah, it naturally occurs, but not to the extremes its at now.

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Upandatem wrote:

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Raycheetah wrote:

I absolutely believe in climate change, as has been happening for as long as Earth has had a climate. I am, however, unconvinced of any significant influence in those megascale climatic cycles by human activity. What I am convinced of is that there is significant socio-economic capital to be reaped by scaring everyone into believing there is, in order to rob them of both wealth and freedom. The transparently nonchalant energy-use behaviors of the AlGores, DiCaprios, and Musks of the world, along with the patently obvious political motives of many of their ilk, should provide sufficient evidence for skepticism of their claims and warnings, at least, for thinking folks. =^[.]^=

Meanwhile your country is literally willing to go to war over oil. But yeah, it's the "let's push into the next generation of energy tech" -guys who are the baddies. Wouldn't want to break our economic dependancy on the middle eastern oil reserves, would we?

Fucking hilariously tragic.

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And if you think we're not capable of impacting our environment in any measurable capacity I guess your just too young or senile to remember the freon fiasco.