At first, I thought the skill/leveling system would be amazing

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Destructodave wrote:

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Deceptionist wrote:

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Destructodave wrote:

with no HP builds.

I don't like people who exaggerate someone's position to make theirs seem stronger. What was stated was clear: There are people who aren't gutting their characters over defensive priority. If you disagree, still. Explain why.

Because I play the game; you don't. What level are you? Are you skipping Hp nodes? I would love to play with you so I can laugh when you get 1 shot by something like a vaal rock. So please, add me up on friends list and I'll level my duelist with you, and laugh my ass off when you get 1 shot with one of these amazing theory-crafted builds you came up with.

You will look just like this lvl 68 the last time I did Vaal. He bragged all the way up the pyramid about his armor/block chance, etc. But he never mentioned life. First Vaal rock hit him, and he seriously got 1 shot. I almost fell out of my chair laughing. All that time grinding felshrine to get 1 shot by a vaal rock cause he had no HP.

That would be you, Deceptionist. But see, you dont have these experiences; you dont have crap to back your arguements but vague references to people that may or may not exist.

So please, level up to about 45 with one of these magical builds and we will go leveling up thru the rest of the game so that I can watch you get 1 shot by something.

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Parrotface wrote:

As far as my ideas on how to fix this issue, one idea is that life nodes are reduced severely, such that they give you only a 2% boost or something. The 2 percent is a number I picked somewhat arbitrarily, but really I think the life nodes are about that much more powerful than the other nodes. If it is decreased in such an extreme way, it would make the defensive nodes more attractive as an alternative to higher life, as well as making the damage nodes more attractive as a way of killing things faster. It will remove the thing that happens now where getting a damage node instead of a life node means you have to fight maps that are X levels below what you otherwise could handle.

Another idea is to keep life nodes at the same power level, but make it much more difficult to get a bunch of them. Spreading them out and hiding them behind other parts of the skill tree would help this out a lot. Right now, there are a ton of life nodes that fairly easy to get to, considering how much benefit they give you. If nodes were hidden behind things like 3 nodes of 1 handed weapon damage, or alternating 8% mana, 8% life parts of the tree, it would make the player have to think a lot more about which life nodes they wanted to get, as opposed to getting all of them.

A final idea is to change the way the life nodes interact with items. I nearly doubled my life total from something like 400 to 750 by switching from random items to a quiver and 2 rings that had substantial +__ to maximum life. I am getting even more life from these the more life nodes I get. This seems to me to be way too much compared to other stuff. Even otherwise decent seeming things like +10-20 fire damage or + 5-60 lightning damage pale in strength compared to this. Stuff like +10 life on kill is really bad compared to a 100+ boost in total life. This may be mitigated if they decreased the max life rolls to something like 30 or 40.

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StinkFinger wrote:

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Destructodave wrote:

That would be you, Deceptionist. But see, you dont have these experiences; you dont have crap to back your arguements but vague references to people that may or may not exist.

So please, level up to about 45 with one of these magical builds and we will go leveling up thru the rest of the game so that I can watch you get 1 shot by something.

If I was black and this was 1998... I would say...

"You got served..."

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Turtlewing wrote:

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Parrotface wrote:

As far as my ideas on how to fix this issue, one idea is that life nodes are reduced severely, such that they give you only a 2% boost or something. The 2 percent is a number I picked somewhat arbitrarily, but really I think the life nodes are about that much more powerful than the other nodes. If it is decreased in such an extreme way, it would make the defensive nodes more attractive as an alternative to higher life, as well as making the damage nodes more attractive as a way of killing things faster. It will remove the thing that happens now where getting a damage node instead of a life node means you have to fight maps that are X levels below what you otherwise could handle.

Another idea is to keep life nodes at the same power level, but make it much more difficult to get a bunch of them. Spreading them out and hiding them behind other parts of the skill tree would help this out a lot. Right now, there are a ton of life nodes that fairly easy to get to, considering how much benefit they give you. If nodes were hidden behind things like 3 nodes of 1 handed weapon damage, or alternating 8% mana, 8% life parts of the tree, it would make the player have to think a lot more about which life nodes they wanted to get, as opposed to getting all of them.

A final idea is to change the way the life nodes interact with items. I nearly doubled my life total from something like 400 to 750 by switching from random items to a quiver and 2 rings that had substantial +__ to maximum life. I am getting even more life from these the more life nodes I get. This seems to me to be way too much compared to other stuff. Even otherwise decent seeming things like +10-20 fire damage or + 5-60 lightning damage pale in strength compared to this. Stuff like +10 life on kill is really bad compared to a 100+ boost in total life. This may be mitigated if they decreased the max life rolls to something like 30 or 40.

All those ideas would just make it more important to get as many life nodes as possible.

Lower high end mob damage and raise high end mob HP. That way you suffer less for skipping HP nodes to get damage nodes and suffer more for skipping damage nodes to get life nodes.

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MesostelZe wrote:

In the case of Armour, the question is a little more subtle, but it basically comes down to the same thing. If Armour provided flat physical damage reduction, then it would be more or less equivalent to Life% in terms of physical damage. However, it doesn't do that. Instead, it does something more interesting, providing almost complete protection against small hits, and almost no protection against large ones. Similarly to Evasion, this makes it a nice ingredient in a survivable character, but not something which everyone has to have. Also similarly to Evasion, it's made more effective by making all the mobs hit faster and lighter, but you'd have to accept that this is a reasonable thing to do. Currently, the damage reduction formula for Armour is a key ingredient in keeping death a possibility at high levels.

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VoodooB wrote:

This is the thing i would love for them to fix first. You dont need a 1300 point tree and then create a game that says most of them are less then useful.