2.1 Conta/Ess Drain = The Purple Puragu : cheap and effective Atziri killer/mapper (SC/HC)

Poison support is effectively much less than 10% 'more damage' if you arent running binos. The poison isnt applied with each tick of the degen. And the poison from EDs initial hit is very weak.

I would suggest a different support. Perhaps iron will depending on your strength.

Empower is pretty godly, granting 23% 'more' damage (if you ignore flat bonuses) going from level 20 to 22.

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SkyCore wrote:

And the poison from EDs initial hit is very weak.

Soooo wrong ^^

Yes it doesn't offer any bump to the ED dot damage but you destroy single targets with it. A non lazy person could swap the gem during fights but you gotta find a green gem to replace it.

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Kagari wrote:

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SkyCore wrote:

And the poison from EDs initial hit is very weak.

Soooo wrong ^^

Yes it doesn't offer any bump to the ED dot damage but you destroy single targets with it. A non lazy person could swap the gem during fights but you gotta find a green gem to replace it.

Empower grants 23% more damage to ED going from level 20 to 22. Applied to both the first hit and the degen.

Poison grants 10% of the chaos damage dealt with the initial hit of ED. Then continues to do that damage. The initial hit of ED is weak, averaging 300 before modifiers compared to the 800 base degen per second.

The only benefit at all compared to another support is when you are machine gunning a boss. In which case the poison stacks up. But youd have to have 5+ stacks maintained to equal the boost that empower would grant.

Things might change a bit if you are using binos. But you arent.

Pretty sure im right about this mate. If i am wrong id really like to know. What makes you so certain im wrong?

Right now, my ED hit is roughly 5k-7k5. I have fatal toxins which is 125% poison damage, Poison gem gives an other 120% at lvl 20 + 134% DoT damage on the tree. The dot from poison is then multiplied by all the chaos damage on the tree+gear.

You're right when you say that for the ED DoT it doesn't help, but for single target the difference is nuts.

On my RF build i have 24k ED dot damage and up to 31.5k if i replace Poison by a 18/20 slower proj. My clear speed is way higher with poison as i dont have to wait the rares and bosses to die.


I was skeptical about the poison gem but tbh the moment i tried it i instantly knew i had to use it. Even after the huge nerf from last patch is s still a must have for me.

Try it on several maps and you ll see the difference it makes. Of course it all depends on the targets, but for high hp bosses or atziri it's insane and it totally deserved the nerf^^

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Kagari wrote:

Right now, my ED hit is roughly 5k-7k5. I have fatal toxins which is 125% poison damage, Poison gem gives an other 120% at lvl 20 + 134% DoT damage on the tree. The dot from poison is then multiplied by all the chaos damage on the tree+gear.

Thing is, any more spell damage increase (empower) will also receive all the same passive and gear boosts.

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Kagari wrote:

Try it on several maps and you ll see the difference it makes. Of course it all depends on the targets, but for high hp bosses or atziri it's insane and it totally deserved the nerf^^

Strange. I have tested it. And it wasnt as good as any of my other supports. My build is quite different from yours and i have much worse gear.



Notice i have 65% increased duration on my tree and no aoe. One ED/contagion is enough to kill packs in the tier 10 maps iv been running.

Killing trah is really not the problem with conta/drain, at least in solo. But for me, poison gem is necessary to speed up the single target. It s a matter of preference maybe but the fact is that poison gives an insane amout of single target.

I actually dropped my Poison gem for now and got rid of the poison nodes. It's all very fight specific, but I generally find it more rewarding to try and abuse Abyssal Cry + Poison and one shot a boss, instead of spamming ED on it. Might change my mind if I get the balls and attempt to 6L my chest, though.

I'm able to handle all rare T12 maps so far and I don't see myself hitting a wall anytime soon. Of course, SOME modifiers are a pain in the ass, but that goes for damn near every spec. This thing is still pretty OP.

My build:

Do you think some MF runs are possible with this build? I heard even 4L ED is good so maybe sacrificing 1 gem for IIR or IIQ in std wont hurt that much? Plus maybe 1 andavarius and goldwyrm boots?

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Asag wrote:

Do you think some MF runs are possible with this build? I heard even 4L ED is good so maybe sacrificing 1 gem for IIR or IIQ in std wont hurt that much? Plus maybe 1 andavarius and goldwyrm boots?

From the Q&A with Bex not a long ago she said the IIR/IIQ is applied by the first instance of the degen on a mob. From there we can assume that if we use contagion before casting ED, we can then put the MF gems on contagion and keep ED as a good damage skill.
However i have no idea what happens when it spreads. Is contagion degen applied before or after ED spread I don.t know.

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I actually dropped my Poison gem for now and got rid of the poison nodes. It's all very fight specific, but I generally find it more rewarding to try and abuse Abyssal Cry + Poison and one shot a boss, instead of spamming ED on it. Might change my mind if I get the balls and attempt to 6L my chest, though.

I did a few maps without the poison gem to, but i ended up putting it back just because of the times where there s nothing but a resistant rare or boss with no adds to combo it up.

Yeah, some bosses take a while, don't they? I do keep the Poison gem in an extra socket, if I ever need it. Lets face it, sometimes Slower Projectiles can be infuriating and it needs to be swapped out.

Out of curiosity, how would you link an exclusively single target ED?