[2.4 Trickster] Grocery's Caustic Arrow Trickster Shadow! HC Viable!

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Grocery wrote:
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Super7777 wrote:
Nice build :). Is the low life more jewels uber viable?


Low Life? Not sure, haven't seen a low life CA build yet.
i meant the lower life version, unless the regualr build is already uber viable.
Last edited by Super7777#2909 on Dec 19, 2015, 4:13:19 PM
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LostSinner666 wrote:
Is 12k cloud damage is enought for normal atziri(i have quite a lot expetience of killing her, just never did it with pa)?


100% if using conc effect even more so. Dygnity did it with less than 6k, but he is a very good player too.
For my current builds, thoughts and videos.
youtube.com/andypistone
www.twitch.tv/GrocerySC
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Super7777 wrote:
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Grocery wrote:
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Super7777 wrote:
Nice build :). Is the low life more jewels uber viable?


Low Life? Not sure, haven't seen a low life CA build yet.
i meant the lower life version, unless the regualr build is already uber viable.


You want more life for Uber. Uber viable? Most PA builds are, assuming you know the fight very well. I have not tried Uber with this build, but am confident it is like any other CA build.
For my current builds, thoughts and videos.
youtube.com/andypistone
www.twitch.tv/GrocerySC
I'm in the process of trying this build out. I'm levling with
+ fire totem, and a 4link Blade Fall, and I would recommend doing it that way, its so OP.


Second, I'm gonna try with Iron Reflexes instead because I hate eva builds with a passion. I'll let you know how it pans out :)
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KoolaidBro wrote:
I'm in the process of trying this build out. I'm levling with
+ fire totem, and a 4link Blade Fall, and I would recommend doing it that way, its so OP.


Second, I'm gonna try with Iron Reflexes instead because I hate eva builds with a passion. I'll let you know how it pans out :)


Good luck! And yea that talisman is great for leveling.
For my current builds, thoughts and videos.
youtube.com/andypistone
www.twitch.tv/GrocerySC
A quick update on the build for anyone who's still interested in IR+grace

I have never been a fan of evasion since I only play in HC so I have used IR+grace for a lot of my characters and love it so far. At the moment I'm running a Shadow in HC Talisman. You can see my gears in my profile. Stats are following:

Offence: 10k cloud damage with 7 charges, 5L +2 bow
Defence: 12k armour without flask, 26k with flask. 3 endurance charges + chaos golem always up. That makes me pretty tanky in a ti7 map and I feel much safer when I switched from Cloak of Flame to Daresso's and run IR grace. Obviously it can't beat LC + ToH but considering this method costs us only 5c instead of 5ex, I think it's reasonable.

Another note for HC players. You can drop clarity and use rallying cry + 1 ring with mana regen to sustain CA. That gives us room to run Arctic armour which further strengthens our defense.

Math support:
Assuming we take a 8000 physical damage hit (normally it would kill an eva-based char if the hit gets through)
12k armour will reduce the hit by 13% (Equation: % Damage reduction = A/ (A+D*10), where A is Armour and D is raw damage taken)
3 endurance charges and the golem will reduce the hit by 16%
Arctic armour will reduce the hit by another 13%
That's a total of 42% physical reduction. 4650 damage go to our life pool. With a decent gear like mine (cost no more than 2-3c each piece), I can achieve 5k HP without problems.

Grocery, have you thought about dropping Revenge of the Hunted cluster to move toward Scion's life wheel (starting from Master of the Arena)? I personally think the RotH cluster is a bit weak, 7 points to get only 20% life. Alternatively, spending 6 points we get access to Constitution + 1 more jewel.

Thanks again for the build and your responses.
I like AA, but as CA you move constantly so I wouldnt take the dmg reduction from it in your calculation. It may happen you get hit while you stop to fire an arrow, but after that arrow you should always keep moving. But the atk speed reduction and chill effect is nice to have
Last edited by KoolaidBro#5635 on Dec 20, 2015, 3:27:21 AM
What should I prioritize in my jewels? Chaos > DoT > Area > Proj Dmg?
I need a little bit of help concerning passive skill tree: I need 6 points to get to "Method to the Madness", but I also require 6 points to get 3 frenzy charges, should I get the latter?
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WhiteShark2431991 wrote:
A quick update on the build for anyone who's still interested in IR+grace

I have never been a fan of evasion since I only play in HC so I have used IR+grace for a lot of my characters and love it so far. At the moment I'm running a Shadow in HC Talisman. You can see my gears in my profile. Stats are following:

Offence: 10k cloud damage with 7 charges, 5L +2 bow
Defence: 12k armour without flask, 26k with flask. 3 endurance charges + chaos golem always up. That makes me pretty tanky in a ti7 map and I feel much safer when I switched from Cloak of Flame to Daresso's and run IR grace. Obviously it can't beat LC + ToH but considering this method costs us only 5c instead of 5ex, I think it's reasonable.

Another note for HC players. You can drop clarity and use rallying cry + 1 ring with mana regen to sustain CA. That gives us room to run Arctic armour which further strengthens our defense.

Math support:
Assuming we take a 8000 physical damage hit (normally it would kill an eva-based char if the hit gets through)
12k armour will reduce the hit by 13% (Equation: % Damage reduction = A/ (A+D*10), where A is Armour and D is raw damage taken)
3 endurance charges and the golem will reduce the hit by 16%
Arctic armour will reduce the hit by another 13%
That's a total of 42% physical reduction. 4650 damage go to our life pool. With a decent gear like mine (cost no more than 2-3c each piece), I can achieve 5k HP without problems.

Grocery, have you thought about dropping Revenge of the Hunted cluster to move toward Scion's life wheel (starting from Master of the Arena)? I personally think the RotH cluster is a bit weak, 7 points to get only 20% life. Alternatively, spending 6 points we get access to Constitution + 1 more jewel.

Thanks again for the build and your responses.


I won't have time to answer super in depth as I am heading out in a few hours for the airport. RoTH is weak, but there are few other places with life to go in that area. Scion life Wheel requires a massive investment. I would say that it is viable to go to the Life Wheel, just be prepared to do quite a bit less damage as the Life Wheel is likely only something I would do on HC or if I was 95+ on SC.

Your variant looks strong! No doubt it is viable. I do agree though that you should not take into account AA as you will rarely be standing still unlike other bow builds.
For my current builds, thoughts and videos.
youtube.com/andypistone
www.twitch.tv/GrocerySC

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