[2.2 Whispering Ice, Lowlife, Pure Unique wearer 1900+ Int, updated]

With 45% inc near Scion, you got 3750*1.45 = 5437.5 at 1500 int, and 6307.5 at 1900. Yes, it's clearly a nerf and require us to spend some points in duration. But it should still have enough damage to kill anything right?

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wiwigvn wrote:

With 45% inc near Scion, you got 3750*1.45 = 5437.5 at 1500 int, and 6307.5 at 1900. Yes, it's clearly a nerf and require us to spend some points in duration. But it should still have enough damage to kill anything right?

definitely, it is still a very good build :)

Yeah the nerf doesn't kill the build its just not as really powerful as it used to be. Still better then the majority of builds I see about :P

I'm running CI version w/out vaal pact and here is what i say: Ok, after 2.0.2 we got nerf on the tree essentially, now i forced to take 4 new nodes to get 45% duration. Lets see... seems like you guys are all wrong about nerf overall, i tested with normal atziri and my dps almost doubled vs bosses and dropped slightly vs others (insignificant, everything dying instantly anyway).
Yes, doubled. Here was my tree pre 2.0.2 and after

my gear:

I swapped hypothermia with 20/20 inc. duration and got 4083 dmg 8.25s icestorm. Ok, so what the catch? I used old firestorm dps calc and got buff from old 1.66m sustained dps to 3.1m versus vaal oversoul sized monsters. I know its very ideal numbers but i tested it and it looks like truth. Again, even with added cold or hypothermia instead of inc duration numbers not even remotely close to this dmg vs bosses. Vs monster we can use iron will, i guess.

Firestorm dps calc: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/113GmOdIXetPz3924y-fTS1UzmG--AL8BybULuXU3EmY/edit?usp=sharing
Well, i dont really know if this spreadsheet reliable atm but why not?

About avatar of fire... With old temp chain setup i'm steamrolling through 76-77 maps, maybe for 78+ it'll make sense to drop dps for freezing but i dont feel like this yet, facetanking blue rhoas on crit+added dmg map, etc.

Duration has become more effective then before if we get more then 80% increased duration. This requires both the gem and the three nodes from the tree.

The annoying part is that there is no way to spend those extra nodes without cutting Int from somewhere which lowers our ES total which was my focus towards the end, 4 nodes is pretty significant.

I do think that damage potential is higher with duration but it comes at a hefty cost.

Dropping avatar of fire is not totally needed but even before the temp chains + chill nerf there were people who were leaning towards dropping it as the damage was good and freezing is pretty good cc

is it worth getting asenaths with ele weakness curse on hit then getting +2 curse from tree?

This is my current setup:




It works like a charm, no need to drop avatar of fire or anything :)

With the duration nodes and 1700 int icestorm lasts 5.87 seconds, which is enough in my opinion

Still playing a variation of the build with full fire conversion without any problems. I'm super squishy though (as most LL is). Still working on leveling (L69 currently) and gems are a little behind. 5.2K ES, 1.6k avg dmg using fire pen/hypothermia still & 5.5s duration. Waiting to get a Taste of Hate to see if it helps with my mitigation

Opinions on low life dual totems version?

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Demental wrote:

Opinions on low life dual totems version?

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You've cut a bunch of the best damage nodes of the build, I've tweaked the tree to try and get some more of them back in



I never tried totem as I like spell ecco.

I would be interested to see how it goes. Swapping ecco for spell totem. cold to fire with increased duration? Your tree doesn't get any of the fire damage nodes but it still is a pretty good support gem.

The Brute force solution jewel in the Marauder won't hit the sanctity node so it won't give much Int and that whole bottom section very inefficient as the only stat that you wouldn't get more of in other places of the tree is totem placement speed. 2% life regen also isn't very high and you gotta invest quite a few nodes to get it. Life regen is usually best when you stack a whole lot of it. If you don't think 16% totem placement speed is really essential I think I'd try something more like this tree for its higher damage and ES