Remove xp penalty's from death

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Morgoth2356 wrote:

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levy42088 wrote:

You see, that is why all these chains like radioshack / walmart / best buy send us junk mail asking us to take a survey, or tell them how your visit was. This isn't just a dumb waste. This is actually the one time a business can see things from the customers perspective. These forums are GGG's "How are we doing?" Survey. And this thread is about how a lot of us, feel something should be done about the xp penalty upon death.

That's totally not the case, making once again your analogy (here, between customers feedback asked by giant corporations and GGG forums) 100% irrelevant. This thread involves only a few players, and the same 6-7 players at most are answering to each other for the last few pages at least.

Didn't someone mention before that just because people don't add to a thread doesn't mean the agree of disagree. People r lazy, and the only way to get a true read would be to have a multiple choice question once anyone logs in, to get opinions.

If you took the # of views this page has, and divide by the number of replies being contributed, you will see just how many viewers are actually participating.

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levy42088 wrote:

There is no way your going to solo palace at level 70.

Why would you? You still get full xp from low maps at that point.

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Your just grasping at straws man. Yes, technically you can do that, and thats not an issue. But 90% of the other people will just be a little more careful mapping the rest of the 60 minutes.

Say I am grasping straws and saying its technically correct in the same paragraph, that is a bold move, lets see if it pays off.

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The xp penalty should be balanced towards the later levels because 10% of such a huge number of xp is a little nuts.

If you bothered to read the thread you would realize that it IS balanced as the more you level up the stronger your character gets. Stronger character means you should DIE less.

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And can you repeat what you said about palace being worth it?

There is no way your going to solo palace at level 70. And if you did, congratz, most people are going to die on the first pull. Then they end up using all 6 portals leaving 90% of the map untouched.

Except that wasn't the original statement, here is both your statement and my response. Not being able to remember what you said a few hours ago....

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Sooo if you have a crap build, penalty or not, you are going to die. And is it worth buying a palace at level 85, and trying to solo it because of no xp penalty?

Palace is easier then courtyard and yes it would be worth it (assuming you can afford it in the first place) Most people skip that boss anyway.

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And i think with Low life spc throw? People already have the choice picking dps over survivability. You are acting like the world is going to end, it wont. It will be just like it is now, but with a lot more people enjoying the fun end game map system created by GGG.

LOL brah the op build now is mjolner, not LLST. LLST is EXTREMELY expensive. The world won't end but the economic and overall impact of removing a mechanic that was long been established as both acceptable and overall rewarding to those that play and plan properly.

Well apparently many forum trolls have told me in the past, the GGG didn't even want to make a cap. But they did. What makes u think they bothered to test how much 10% xp loss is for a level 95. It makes sense at lower levels, not on the higher levels.

And the reason the whole place scenario was brought up was to prove the theory or "no xp loss = more loot from harder maps" really u can get a shavs running a level 70 graveyard map, or a lvl 78 map. That's why this game would work without the penalty. This isn't world of Warcraft with boss specific loot tables. All loot can come from anything, as long as ur killing monsters.

In order to get loot you have to kill things, and if u can't kill things then ur not getting loot. With or without the penalty.

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levy42088 wrote:

This isn't world of Warcraft with boss specific loot tables. All loot can come from anything, as long as ur killing monsters.

Correct it isn't wow, however there are specific boss loot tables and ilevel restrictions on items, not to mention zana's map mods, which means you CANT get all loot from "just killing monsters" you must invest time into builds to do certain difficult things or money into zana mods.

Forum troll sounds like anyone that disagrees with you or your view. XP penalty won't be removed.

Actually someone else can kill for you and you can still get loot. So make your crap build and get carried to level 100, just don't die along the way.

That's a pretty trollish reply, Goetz.

Atziri is the only boss with specific loot (that I know of).

All loot does come from killing monsters (or vendors, I guess).

And did you just suggest someone try to get carried to 100? Absurdity proves nothing.

There really isn't good justification for the exp penalty.

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AlbinosaurusRex wrote:

There really isn't good justification for the exp penalty.

How is making death meaningful not a good justification?

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Moosifer wrote:

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AlbinosaurusRex wrote:

There really isn't good justification for the exp penalty.

How is making death meaningful not a good justification?

Um... tell me if I'm wrong, but even if they remove the XP Penalty, i really do not want to die. Wastes a portal, and in a group of 6 people, i would have to sit out the rest of the map.

Dying and losing 10% XP - Fuckin sucks
Dying and losing a Portal - Fuckin sucks

Obviously Cast on Death builds won't go anywhere because its impossible to run that in maps. It will be many of the same builds as right now. But will give more people the opportunity to do end game maps. And thats what WE want, to help Path of Exile grow and make GGG more money.

Lower the gates a little bit, and let more people enjoy the game created for all of us!

It also removes some of that requirement to "metagame" the system just to waste a little less time due to efficiency concerns or worrying about leveling.

How about simply, the game's creators felt that death should be discouraged. They decided if they did this it would make it more frustrating for casual players who hit a wall in their limited play time where rerolling is difficult but felt that it held the integrity of their game. That to them it was important for people to spend time making a build where EHP was just as important as DPS to the point where it might cost them income.

The vision of your game is weak death penalty or none at all, there's many games out there for this mindset. Why does every game have to follow this philosophy? Why is it a sin that GGG cares more about their product than how much money it's making, as long as it's making enough to stay afloat?