I would disagree. I used
and
before I got .
The Doryani's added about 4% to my DPS over the moonsorrow which had about the same DPS as my rare wand, or maybe just 0.5% less.
You can't even notice the difference really. Lifesprig is also just as good.
The build is not gear dependent for damage at all. Quality on gems and more links does far more than better gear.
That's because your rare wand is not that special at all. I said that the 3 most important things are Spell, Cast, and proj, and that wand has only 1 of the 3. The lack of cast speed pretty much kills that wand's DPS like it invalidates this one:
(but this baby is a Flameblast wand, so it don't care :D)
Here you go: every single one of those wands will outperform a Moonsorrow, and all of those are 3c or under.
A build that is "not gear-dependent for damage" would be able to not use a wand and function perfectly fine. In fact, so much of the damage scaling comes from the weapon instead of the tree that it's vital to use a good weapon.
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opethsland wrote:
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So far I'm using the Moonsorrow and at least for Merciless it's a cakewalk :).
I bought a 5l CoD this morning and added chaos dmg to my set. That made me extremely poor :(.
All my currency was spent on the chest ("all my currency" = 1 ex, lol - oh RNG, be on my side once in my life!), so I only have 10 chaos left...
I found a 70% spell dmg, 19% cast speed, 20% projectile speed wand for that price, but that leaves me with no currency to invest on a good pair of gloves.
My buffed tootip dmg (herald of ice and herald of thunder + lvl 1 added chaos dmg) with the Moonsorrow is 1.9k.
Is the rare wand I found really worth the cost? How much of an impact does the projectile speed, spell dmg and casting speed make? I mean, my Moonsorrow has 54% spell dmg and 10% cast speed, and it has the lvl 5 blind support. I don't have any experience with the witch class, so I can't really value a good wand and the impact it does on dmg.
Shouldn't I prioritize a pair of gloves and jewelry next?
Here's my gear right now:
If your wands go past 10c apiece, you should seriously consider a Doryani's Catalyst before you sink too much currency into intermediates. Also, 70/19/20 is pretty decent for a wand, that's something I wouldn't mind getting myself. DPS-wise, it'll be roughly similar to a Doryani, just without the leech.
Even Doryani's only added about 4% to the DPS and I barely noticed a difference. The point is that the DPS all comes from not the gear nor the tree, but solely from leveling up the gems and multiplying through the links. Geofri's +1 to the heralds did more for my DPS than anything else.
DPS:
No weapon: 3615
Moonsorrow: 4465
Doryani: 4666
A slightly better rare wand might bring the DPS up to 4500-4550, but really that's not noticeable at all.
I would disagree. I used
and
before I got .
The Doryani's added about 4% to my DPS over the moonsorrow which had about the same DPS as my rare wand, or maybe just 0.5% less.
You can't even notice the difference really. Lifesprig is also just as good.
The build is not gear dependent for damage at all. Quality on gems and more links does far more than better gear.
That's because your rare wand is not that special at all. I said that the 3 most important things are Spell, Cast, and proj, and that wand has only 1 of the 3. The lack of cast speed pretty much kills that wand's DPS like it invalidates this one:
(but this baby is a Flameblast wand, so it don't care :D)
Here you go: every single one of those wands will outperform a Moonsorrow, and all of those are 3c or under.
A build that is "not gear-dependent for damage" would be able to not use a wand and function perfectly fine. In fact, so much of the damage scaling comes from the weapon instead of the tree that it's vital to use a good weapon.
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opethsland wrote:
Spoiler
So far I'm using the Moonsorrow and at least for Merciless it's a cakewalk :).
I bought a 5l CoD this morning and added chaos dmg to my set. That made me extremely poor :(.
All my currency was spent on the chest ("all my currency" = 1 ex, lol - oh RNG, be on my side once in my life!), so I only have 10 chaos left...
I found a 70% spell dmg, 19% cast speed, 20% projectile speed wand for that price, but that leaves me with no currency to invest on a good pair of gloves.
My buffed tootip dmg (herald of ice and herald of thunder + lvl 1 added chaos dmg) with the Moonsorrow is 1.9k.
Is the rare wand I found really worth the cost? How much of an impact does the projectile speed, spell dmg and casting speed make? I mean, my Moonsorrow has 54% spell dmg and 10% cast speed, and it has the lvl 5 blind support. I don't have any experience with the witch class, so I can't really value a good wand and the impact it does on dmg.
Shouldn't I prioritize a pair of gloves and jewelry next?
Here's my gear right now:
If your wands go past 10c apiece, you should seriously consider a Doryani's Catalyst before you sink too much currency into intermediates. Also, 70/19/20 is pretty decent for a wand, that's something I wouldn't mind getting myself. DPS-wise, it'll be roughly similar to a Doryani, just without the leech.
I went with:
for 5c. I don't think dory will be much of an upgrade at all. For now it's trying for a 6th chest link.
Kute: does a shield make much of a diff defensively or is it better to pair up cast speed/proj wands for 74-78 mapping?
for 5c. I don't think dory will be much of an upgrade at all. For now it's trying for a 6th chest link.
Kute: does a shield make much of a diff defensively or is it better to pair up cast speed/proj wands for 74-78 mapping?
That's an amazing wand for 5c... I'd pay 15c+ for it. I think it's better than Doryani's for this build.
Just tried dual wielding moonsorrows and I'm getting 5.2k dps now. I tried a 72 map with easy mods and I noticed no difference in survivability; still felt very tanky. But I think Saffell does add a lot to survivability overall, especially for Atziri and maps with elemental curse or -max resists. Or a different rare shield could add more mana regen, life, or resists if you need it. Perhaps a high spell damage + high life + mana regen ES shield would be the best in slot. Dual wield works fine for average maps; probably still go with a shield if you roll a particularly tough map.
Last edited by LilCroissant#3578 on Jan 8, 2015, 11:39:31 PM
I made some little changes to the build. Here is my gear and my tree. I was using doryanis catalyst but i figured apeps gives a lot more dps and i get my life/mana leech from warlords mark anyway.
I'd like to have some feedbacks. I'm level 90 with 5.5k life 3k unreserved mana and 5.8k dps.
I died 5times yesterday to uber atziri but I did it ! I am very enjoying the build.
Last edited by fredo2185#0696 on Jan 9, 2015, 12:34:43 PM
I made some little changes to the build. Here is my gear and my tree. I was using doryanis catalyst but i figured apeps gives a lot more dps and i get my life/mana leech from warlords mark anyway.
I'd like to have some feedbacks. I'm level 90 with 5.5k life 3k unreserved mana and 5.8k dps.
I died 5times yesterday to uber atziri but I did it ! I am very enjoying the build.
How much more DPS did Apep's give compared to Doryani's? Congrats on the uber kill!
Went from 4.8k to 5.8k. There is no downside IMO. Plus you get more leech with atziris flask.
My apeps suck though. The flat chaos is much more valuable than the cast speed.
Last edited by fredo2185#0696 on Jan 9, 2015, 1:54:57 PM
is this build also possible with a 6l legacy lightning coil ? or is cloak of defiance much better ?
If i had a 6 link LC I'd put purity of fire and lightning with empower into a geoffri to get them lvl 23. Then I'd get 80% aura effectiveness from the tree (inner force, etc.) to get them to +9max res with safels for 88 res to light and fire. With topaz and ruby flask you'd be immune to those elements (if you take alchemist node fore more duration and effectiveness of flasks.
In theory it would be just as good or maybe even better.. I don't know. Try it... let us know plz.
