Lightning Thorns

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Vipermagi wrote:

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Cruxation wrote:

I have 4 characters in maps now... only one had problems with lightning thorns ( big problems). And that is my ground slam marauder. I also have a PHYSICAL ice shot duelsit, elemental split arrow ranger, and EK shadow. I dont even notice the thorns on any charatcer but my marauder. I think somthing is bugged cause that makes no sense to me. I've never died to it but I take SIGNIFICANT damage where as my othere characters are seemingly umharmed. All have capped resists.

Well yeah, it only reflects on Melee Attacks. No surprises there. :P
Having it also reflect on Ranged Attacks would be hilarious though. So much whining.

And spells.

I don't think lightning thorns should be nerfed: I just think Lightning Thorns should deal damage back to ranged attacks and spells as well.

EDIT: What happens if you cyclone into lightning thorns? Do you just die?

Barracks and Battlefront are hands down the most infuriating places to level melee in. Unless you're decked in twink gear with max resist, good luck trying survive even 2 reflected hits. What pisses me off the most is that they can cast it off screen and the cleave aoe with high aps completely blocks the effect so most of the time you're cleaving happily away and then suddenly lose 80% hp in one hit.

I also don't understand why on earth doesn't it affect range in any way. It's not like melee has it easy with all the LMP and GMP mobs hitting always full barrage, dogs being impossible to deal with unless you're chaining ruby flasks amongst other "fun" encounters.

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aantsi wrote:

Barracks and Battlefront are hands down the most infuriating places to level melee in. Unless you're decked in twink gear with max resist, good luck trying survive even 2 reflected hits. What pisses me off the most is that they can cast it off screen and the cleave aoe with high aps completely blocks the effect so most of the time you're cleaving happily away and then suddenly lose 80% hp in one hit.

I also don't understand why on earth doesn't it affect range in any way. It's not like melee has it easy with all the LMP and GMP mobs hitting always full barrage, dogs being impossible to deal with unless you're chaining ruby flasks amongst other "fun" encounters.

Oh man, all the exaggerations in this thread are killing me. No pun intended.

i wouldnt mind a nerf to this thing, its pretty damn dangerous especially when you're melee

The interaction with Cyclone is hilarious. Hilarious like exchanging your pillow with a cactus. Seriously, please apply the attacking skill's Damage Effectiveness to the returned damage because at least in maps you can't use Cyclone with the casters around. I almost oneshot myself cycloning through a door in a Crypt Map with 4k HP/14% Lifeleech+10LoH. It was so tedious killing every mob there single target afterwards I almost gave the map up.

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Plastic_Cup wrote:

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aantsi wrote:

Barracks and Battlefront are hands down the most infuriating places to level melee in. Unless you're decked in twink gear with max resist, good luck trying survive even 2 reflected hits. What pisses me off the most is that they can cast it off screen and the cleave aoe with high aps completely blocks the effect so most of the time you're cleaving happily away and then suddenly lose 80% hp in one hit.

I also don't understand why on earth doesn't it affect range in any way. It's not like melee has it easy with all the LMP and GMP mobs hitting always full barrage, dogs being impossible to deal with unless you're chaining ruby flasks amongst other "fun" encounters.

Oh man, all the exaggerations in this thread are killing me. No pun intended.

no exaggeration. saw nugiyen almost kill himself making 2 hits on like 4-5 soldiers in a 67 map when he had like 3.5 k hp and 83 maxresist

Wait so thorns does 0 dmg to ranged?

I truly did make the wrong type of character in this game.

Honestly what is the point of making a melee?

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Biovital wrote:

Wait so thorns does 0 dmg to ranged?

I truly did make the wrong type of character in this game.

Honestly what is the point of making a melee?

The point of making a melee is that you pay an insane amount of possible death traps and a huge amount of inconvenience for slightly more fun (subjective, I know) game experience.

Playing purely melees myself I find myself asking this question quite often, then I test my ranged classes and come to a conclusion I wouldn't be playing this game as a ranged :)

That doesn't change the fact that it's utterly unfair that thorns does nothing to ranged and utterly destroys melee. It's so bad that when a map has thorn mages I actually take cyclone and all AE skills off my skill bar since they're just too dangerous to use.

Ranged never have to do that.

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Aelloon wrote:

EDIT: What happens if you cyclone into lightning thorns? Do you just die?

Yes definitely, that's how I ended up here, trying to find out the license plate of that truck that hit me ;) Lvl 69 (zone is 62-merc), 10,087 armor, 77/77/77/25 resists, 2417 health but I regen 22.6% while hitting anything. Nothing hurts me really at all. Instantly dead (Cycloned into a pack of what looked like a big juicy pack of blackguards - on the death screen I saw 3 of them had this 'thorns' buff around them).

If it is physical reflect, its reflecting an enormous multiplier (In which case why bother with the cpu cycles, just reflect 'enough to kill a player'). For reference my cyclone gem setup at the time says 667dps 197-394phys damage 2.72aps no frenzy charges - very low as I am setup for a different purpose other than max dps at this time.

Simply, hilarious.

Edit: I did just survive barely nipping one guard with the buff, so its not such a huge multiplier after all - per application. But adding them up and attacking fast, well that did me in the first time. It was almost funner not knowing wtf was going on!

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Aelloon wrote:

EDIT: What happens if you cyclone into lightning thorns? Do you just die?

I use a 2H mace and Blood Rage.
I can survive if I wait for my frenzy charges to disapear to reduce my attack speed, but it's usually safer to just spam Leap Slam into the pack.