[1.3] Kionn's Phy Crit Wander | Atziri Viable | 78+maps fast clears w/ VIDEOS

Hi, great build! I have two questions though:

1. Why do you take Oak instead of Kraitlyn in cruel? Your tree has way more physical/wand damage than attack speed, the 8% AS from Kraitlyn should result in more dps.

2. Why isn't Physical Projectile Attack Damage be the 5th link, and WED the 6th? I can understand needing a red socket earlier for leech (and thus WED for the 5th), but Phys Proj should more dps for less mana.

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Keratay wrote:

Hi, great build! I have two questions though:

1. Why do you take Oak instead of Kraitlyn in cruel? Your tree has way more physical/wand damage than attack speed, the 8% AS from Kraitlyn should result in more dps.

2. Why isn't Physical Projectile Attack Damage be the 5th link, and WED the 6th? I can understand needing a red socket earlier for leech (and thus WED for the 5th), but Phys Proj should more dps for less mana.

1. 8% attack speed is very similar to 18% phy damage. The difference is VERY minimal. However if you get the 8% attack speed, theres a chance in the future that your mana can't support how fast you attack, if you get phy damage on the other hand, you will never have that problem. So sacrifice a tiny bit of dps for more stability. and by tiny, i really mean like 50-100 dps difference out of a good 10k.

2. WeD does more damage. I've tested it. Phy projectile also will make you vunerable to reflect. Most people reroll ele reflect over phy reflect due to the meta of this season everyone playing Arc. I do agree about the less mana though.

Another thing about WeD is it allows you to run life leech gem when you need to.

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Awesome build, thanks for going into detail and providing that useful FAQ plus testing results - just have a question, what do you think about using Lightning Coil chest to combat reflect? Or do you much prefer ES on your chest to help with regen and maintaining Arctic Armor?

It seems that you would just crumple to any kind of big hits. All you have is AA for defense, no IR, no OG, no evasion, no MoM, no Lightning Coil, and a pretty mediocre life pool.

I bet the reason you say Ondar's Guile is not worth it is because you don't know how to build for it. You pick up all of the accuracy you can find and then complain that it doesn't help that much with reflect when you're sitting at 85%+ chance to hit. You have pure ES gear with no evasion and don't run Grace, so of course ondar's guilde will not help when you have 0 evasion. I will say that AA is awesome for phys reflect when working with any chained physical projectile, but you are trying to tell people that neither armor or evasion help with reflect which is a complete lie.

Why do you have so much WED when all its really scaling is Hatred and Tempest Blast? FA might net you a better clear speed. Also I'm curious why you felt the need to PM me to say that the build in my guide sucks seeing as its just the tree right now as I haven't had time to write it up or post my gear/any specifics about it. "I tried your build till level 75 and it sucks". Well I posted it yesterday afternoon so you have no clue about my build and you defnitely haven't had time to level a char to 75, collect good gear/gems and then decide that it sucks.

In short I believe you are bending a lot of information to talk up the strengths of this build without listing any of the negatives besides "lol ele reflect kinda hurts". I'm sure it has decent clear speed because of your wand, but having played an ele wander build with a very similar tree I can say its very hard to stay alive against things like Dischargers, leapers, rhoas, or any boss that does heavy phys damage.

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BigsMcGee wrote:

It seems that you would just crumple to any kind of big hits. All you have is AA for defense, no IR, no OG, no evasion, no MoM, no Lightning Coil, and a pretty mediocre life pool.

I bet the reason you say Ondar's Guile is not worth it is because you don't know how to build for it. You pick up all of the accuracy you can find and then complain that it doesn't help that much with reflect when you're sitting at 85%+ chance to hit. You have pure ES gear with no evasion and don't run Grace, so of course ondar's guilde will not help when you have 0 evasion. I will say that AA is awesome for phys reflect when working with any chained physical projectile, but you are trying to tell people that neither armor or evasion help with reflect which is a complete lie.

Why do you have so much WED when all its really scaling is Hatred and Tempest Blast? FA might net you a better clear speed. Also I'm curious why you felt the need to PM me to say that the build in my guide sucks seeing as its just the tree right now as I haven't had time to write it up or post my gear/any specifics about it. "I tried your build till level 75 and it sucks". Well I posted it yesterday afternoon so you have no clue about my build and you defnitely haven't had time to level a char to 75, collect good gear/gems and then decide that it sucks.

In short I believe you are bending a lot of information to talk up the strengths of this build without listing any of the negatives besides "lol ele reflect kinda hurts". I'm sure it has decent clear speed because of your wand, but having played an ele wander build with a very similar tree I can say its very hard to stay alive against things like Dischargers, leapers, rhoas, or any boss that does heavy phys damage.

Hey, I think you need to chill out buddy.

Firstly, wait a sec. What did i pm you exactly? I actually don't remember pming you saying your build sucks. That is a total lie. You didn't ask for clarification or anything. You just decided to go on a rampage and post shit on my thread. I wouldnt just go and hate something without actually trying it. I had only good intentions when i pm'd you, honestly, all i said was i've tried your build up to level 75 and i found it extremely weak. I apologise if you took it the wrong way. It wasn't a hate message, rather telling you that i've tried it and it was for you to reply to me and telling me how youre doing with it. I like knowing about all wander builds.

Secondly, i've done up to 78 maps and i have not died in any high maps. AA is enough to sustain my defense. The only time i die is when i get 1 shotted by like Vaal or some shit, which is extremely rare. I admit, i do get hit for quite a lot, especially on bosses. Maybe 1/4 of my health or 1/2 my health at times. But its never enough to kill me.

Regarding Ondar's, I'm not sure if you read, but i had 40% evasion. So Ondar's would have given me 80% projectile evasion, but it didnt do anywhere near as well as AA. Like, not even close. "you are trying to tell people that neither armor or evasion help with reflect which is a complete lie.", i dont think i ever said that.

So onto your FA statement. I've never tried FA, but i do know that WED is VERY good. It's much better than Phy projectile, FA also may create mana problems.

Back to the 75 character i created. I geared it up decently well, i wouldnt say its the best. But it was not undergeared by far. I could clear up to 70 maps. But the difference between the build im doing now and the CI build is did was enormous. This is better in almost every way. I did however say that CI may be better once you have around 40-50 exalts to spare.

Lastly,I am not bending any information about my build.When i said ele reflect kinda hurts.....well that is an overstatement. It basically just tickles. I dont know about your ele wander build. But i can tell you for sure that i do not die easily.

So, almost everything you said in your post was FALSE. If you want anymore clarification, let me know. Im not lying about my build and like i've stated many times. I do honestly think its the best build if you dont have 40-50exalts to spare.

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Daegon wrote:

Awesome build, thanks for going into detail and providing that useful FAQ plus testing results - just have a question, what do you think about using Lightning Coil chest to combat reflect? Or do you much prefer ES on your chest to help with regen and maintaining Arctic Armor?

Hybrid evasion/ES would be the best. But this early in the league, it'd be hard to find a good evasion/ES chest with an ES over 500. So unless youre extremely rich, go for pure ES. Its more than enough to clear high level maps with.

I've tried lightning coil, its good but i dont think its necessary.

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Firstly, wait a sec. What did i pm you exactly? I actually don't remember pming you saying your build sucks. That is a total lie.

Its not a lie and if you don't remember then here it is "Look I don't know if you give a shit, but I tried your build up to level 75 and it sucked".

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all i said was I've tried your build up to level 75 and i found it extremely weak

I get that's what you meant, but I was eating dinner and came back to a PM from someone I've never heard of which sounded quite confrontational to me (you were offline by the time I saw it), then when I saw your name on this build thread I was like that's the guy that decided to shit on my build for no reason. I hope you can understand why I was a little upset and decided to shit on yours for a little while.

So I decided to give your build some constructive criticism from my point of view, albeit with a little harsher language than normal, but I voiced my concerns over this build after reading through it and watching the video.

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Regarding Ondar's, I'm not sure if you read, but i had 40% evasion. So Ondar's would have given me 80% projectile evasion

It doesn't depend on just your Evasion. You have 80% chance to evade which is a number based on the accuracy of mobs of the same level as you. It is also checked against your accuracy, so with all of the Dex you get from going down to OG, picking up any % increased Accuracy on the tree will greatly effect how well you evade reflect. In your FAQ section you blatantly state that OG or IR are simply not worth it, which may be true if you don't have the gear to support it. Its fine if you don't pick it up, but don't just say its not worth it. Mention that if you have enough EV and know how to balance your accuracy that OG is THE BEST WAY TO MITIGATE REFLECT.

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Secondly, i've done up to 78 maps and i have not died in any high maps. AA is enough to sustain my defense.

I noticed in the video of a 75 map you get hit for 3k damage by one of Spincrack's lightning projectiles. There were no damage modifiers on the map, you weren't shocked and it didn't crit. Then later some white skeles were chunking you for close to 1k damage.

Im probably wrong about WED since you have much more ele damage than I do and seem to be trying to scale both equally.

This build is very squishy which is fine since it is a budget build. The reason wander's are always so expensive is because it takes an expensive weapon, but also because the defenses are almost solely from gear and having just ES on gear for extra mana will leave a giant void.

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BigsMcGee wrote:

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Firstly, wait a sec. What did i pm you exactly? I actually don't remember pming you saying your build sucks. That is a total lie.

Its not a lie and if you don't remember then here it is "Look I don't know if you give a shit, but I tried your build up to level 75 and it sucked".

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all i said was I've tried your build up to level 75 and i found it extremely weak

I get that's what you meant, but I was eating dinner and came back to a PM from someone I've never heard of which sounded quite confrontational to me (you were offline by the time I saw it), then when I saw your name on this build thread I was like that's the guy that decided to shit on my build for no reason. I hope you can understand why I was a little upset and decided to shit on yours for a little while.

So I decided to give your build some constructive criticism from my point of view, albeit with a little harsher language than normal, but I voiced my concerns over this build after reading through it and watching the video.

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Regarding Ondar's, I'm not sure if you read, but i had 40% evasion. So Ondar's would have given me 80% projectile evasion

It doesn't depend on just your Evasion. You have 80% chance to evade which is a number based on the accuracy of mobs of the same level as you. It is also checked against your accuracy, so with all of the Dex you get from going down to OG, picking up any % increased Accuracy on the tree will greatly effect how well you evade reflect. In your FAQ section you blatantly state that OG or IR are simply not worth it, which may be true if you don't have the gear to support it. Its fine if you don't pick it up, but don't just say its not worth it. Mention that if you have enough EV and know how to balance your accuracy that OG is THE BEST WAY TO MITIGATE REFLECT.

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Secondly, i've done up to 78 maps and i have not died in any high maps. AA is enough to sustain my defense.

I noticed in the video of a 75 map you get hit for 3k damage by one of Spincrack's lightning projectiles. There were no damage modifiers on the map, you weren't shocked and it didn't crit. Then later some white skeles were chunking you for close to 1k damage.

Im probably wrong about WED since you have much more ele damage than I do and seem to be trying to scale both equally.

This build is very squishy which is fine since it is a budget build. The reason wander's are always so expensive is because it takes an expensive weapon, but also because the defenses are almost solely from gear and having just ES on gear for extra mana will leave a giant void.

This is EXACTLY what i wrote. So you really need to stop lying. After i said hi, and that ive tried the build youre doing. I said, "i dont know if u care or give a shit but i can tel you its extremely weak." I can printscreen if you want.

When i said OG is not worth it. I really meant its not worth it. I havent had troubles with reflect AT ALL. It doesnt do anything to me, i can even do double reflect maps. I'll make a video soon with that.

Lastly, you did not read about what i said about the boss. The only reason i was hit that hard was because i turned off AA.

This build is not squishy at all. Honestly, I know im being a bit defensive here but the reason i am is that i honestly do think this build is very good in almost every way. I do admit that i do not have that much health (4.2k), but this build by far is not squishy at all. I don't want to be an ass but i can honestly say its MUCH tankier than the CI build. The reason for this is because of the new potion buff. 1000x3 insta heal potions? thats 75% of my health back in like 1 second. Thats with only 1 flask. If i had 2 insta-heal flask............

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This is EXACTLY what i wrote. So you really need to stop lying. After i said hi, and that ive tried the build youre doing. I said, "i dont know if u care or give a shit but i can tel you its extremely weak." I can printscreen if you want.

When i said OG is not worth it. I really meant its not worth it. I havent had troubles with reflect AT ALL. It doesnt do anything to me, i can even do double reflect maps. I'll make a video soon with that.

Lastly, you did not read about what i said about the boss. The only reason i was hit that hard was because i turned off AA.

This build is not squishy at all. Honestly, I know im being a bit defensive here but the reason i am is that i honestly do think this build is very good in almost every way. I do admit that i do not have that much health (4.2k), but this build by far is not squishy at all. I don't want to be an ass but i can honestly say its MUCH tankier than the CI build. The reason for this is because of the new potion buff. 1000x3 insta heal potions? thats 75% of my health back in like 1 second.

Sorry I misquoted "EXTREMELY WEAK" as "SUCKS". Lying is quite the overstatement though. If you're intentions were good as you claim then why would you start with such a confrontational statement?

At least i'm giving reasons why I believe yours is weak while all you said was you tried "my" build. How do you know you tried my build? You know nothing about my build. I made the thread yesterday with just the level 83 tree and the intention of updating it with all of the important info when I can and then immediately get a PM from some douche saying its weak.

You keep saying blanket statements like "almost everything you said in your post was FALSE" and "So you really need to stop lying". Lying about what? What information did I give that was false? All I did was state facts about the mechanics of the game and how you might be able to get them to work together a little more efficiently. But no, apparently I'm lying about everything.

Sorry I overlooked the part about the boss. So you would've only take 2k damage from an unmodified 75 boss. You have to constantly chug potions while I evade 45% of all melee attacks and 90% of all projectiles, and can have 85% all res against spells while having utility effects last for 6 seconds. I can run Blood Rage for Frenzy charges and 10% phys leech while you have to run life leech gem to even think about leeching. Saying "its MUCH tankier than the CI build" is another vast overstatement.

I don't care how good you think your build is, don't go around attacking other people's build that you have no clue about, it makes you look like an ass.