Uber Atziri Capable Builds - 1.1 to 2.0

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Mathil wrote:

Just got her down with my Fakener spec which is... kinda melee? Kinda budget? (20-30ex, mostly the 6L voll)

Uploading a video later tonight.

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nynyny wrote:

Ahem, CoC is anything but a caster build. Just because it spawns spells that doesnt really mean that its caster based. It builds up on the bonuses provided for attack, which is insane crit chance from Wands and insane attack speed from Blood Rage and probably 25+ projectiles that procc the crits per second.

It has literally nothing in common with a caster build. It should probably be classified as special. There isnt a single viable caster build for Uber in a hardcore environment (is there one in Standard/Rampage?). And I doubt that will change soon. Cold casters have been god damn abysmal for ages. Not even LL Dual Void Batteries make skills like Freezing Pulse good enough to be compared to builds that cost less. The buff didnt do much because the skill still has significant drawbacks that over almost impossible to overcome (if you have to worry about dying).

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nynyny wrote:

If anything its a combination of both. Yes, the spells deal the damamge but without the attacks you couldnt have spell procs, ergo no spell damage. So the build is attack based because it needs to attack to even deal damage but also spell based because the spells are what deal the damage after the attack triggered them.

You cant CoC without an attack. Which makes it impossible for it to not be attack based.

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Chundadragon wrote:

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nynyny wrote:

If anything its a combination of both. Yes, the spells deal the damamge but without the attacks you couldnt have spell procs, ergo no spell damage. So the build is attack based because it needs to attack to even deal damage but also spell based because the spells are what deal the damage after the attack triggered them.

You cant CoC without an attack. Which makes it impossible for it to not be attack based.

When I designed the labels, essentially I had them categorised on what type of damage they dealt maybe not so much the trigger, the SRS builds aren't really summoners, they are more casters but we'll forgive them on that just the same =)

If more people think that the CoC should not be under "spell-based" obviously I will move them =)

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nynyny wrote:

The reason why I mention this is because the list gives the wrong impression. It looks nice that you have Attack- and Spell-builds listed and makes the game look balanced. But in reality its almost always an attack based build that abuses Blood Rage. As I said, I dont know of a single caster build that can actually kill her right now.

Lets be honest here. Spell-build heavily implies Caster. Its not comparable to SRS situation at all. All Summoners are essentially casters after all.

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Chundadragon wrote:

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nynyny wrote:

If anything its a combination of both. Yes, the spells deal the damamge but without the attacks you couldnt have spell procs, ergo no spell damage. So the build is attack based because it needs to attack to even deal damage but also spell based because the spells are what deal the damage after the attack triggered them.

You cant CoC without an attack. Which makes it impossible for it to not be attack based.

When I designed the labels, essentially I had them categorised on what dealt the damage maybe not so much the trigger, the SRS builds aren't really summoners, they are more casters but we'll forgive them on that just the same =)

If more people think that the CoC should not be under "spell-based" obviously I will move them =)

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Knightmare101 wrote:

I definitely feel that SRS should be labeled as caster. You literally have to stand still and cast the spell... IF you mess up during uber atziri's split phase, goodluck standing still casting SRS trying to get those damn things to target the one you want. I've killed uber with SRS and I died during the phase, I know.. lol It's not fun. But to have SRS under something other than "Caster" is just silly..