[2.1 Ghazzy - Summoner Guides] Low Budget Builds

Hey I am curious about the 'fast clear speed...for a summoner' comment. Are they slow compared to the other classes? Or is the difference only at the extreme bosses?

Thanks

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Ghazzy wrote:

Consdering making a low life BM build for the hardcore league... we'll see...

DO IT :D:D

Ghazzy, is there a way to run the LB version of this build with just SRS? I notice when you get to HB you only run SRS and drop all the other summons. I really like the idea of just having the one main skill and focusing on that, instead of managing all the other summons and spending time making "special" spectres. Please let me know. Thanks!

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BhaluBear wrote:

Ghazzy, is there a way to run the LB version of this build with just SRS? I notice when you get to HB you only run SRS and drop all the other summons. I really like the idea of just having the one main skill and focusing on that, instead of managing all the other summons and spending time making "special" spectres. Please let me know. Thanks!

Friend of mine did it life based. Point is, With just SRS, you wont have much to cover yourself from damage, since CI isnt really tanky (lack of pots mainly) unless you have leech, youd have to have really high dps to cover up for it. This is where the Low Budget problem comes in ;) Long story short, zombies and spectres are a vital distraction to keep you alive as CI. Life based is a different story. You wont mind taking some damage, since you can just pot up if you do, meaning you are able to ditch zombies and spectres but in return, youd either need to spend a couple regrets to get into the MB/HB variants or your endgame dps (as HB life based) will just not reach the highest tiers.

To many quotes to make this answer look good soooo....

* Lvl 3 Empower is worth it, yes.
* Summoners have always been a rather slow clearing build (excluding the BM times, sadly did not play when that was happening) The HB-SRS clears lvl 78 maps SUPER fast even compared to most other builds.
* Running LB without Spectres/Zombie would only be doable if you use Spell Totem + Skeletons, as comapred to a heavy geared (higher budget) SRS Summoner where you can actually take a few hits or just simply have that 6L +3 and can sustain it. (Crucial to actually have all gems in there at lvl 18+ with quality) Then yes you can remove the use of other minions. However, they are there to make up for the lower survival provided by the lower budget based gear. Also remember that this is perfectly doable in a HP version with a few tweeks! :)


I hope that covered everything, if not poke me again!

Added lighting damage gem & +1 all meg +2 lighting gem Staff. What do u think?

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sandor555 wrote:

Added lighting damage gem & +1 all meg +2 lighting gem Staff. What do u think?

I wouldnt do it. The damage from the minion gem itself is too high comparetively to the gem to not go for +3 fire but instead +3 lightning.

Just for the numbers, added lightning gives 17+320/2=168.5 extra average damage while Summon raging spirits Gives 293-438 on lvl 20 which is a base of 731/2=365.5 average damage, meaning that any gem that gives 50% extra damage is already better, even in the lightning staff. Now consider the difference between using a fire staff and getting a lvl 26+ raging spirits, or getting lvl 24 spirits with the same setup. Moreover, added lightning loses its effectiveness when using hatred, but also loses effectiveness when using wrath+anger since it will be a less % increase.

very interesting build, but would not be better to use "Chober Chaber" +1 minion, +1 melee and 15% inc. dur. ?? ty

tried other summoner builds, but this one, i only got 1 word "Funky" :)

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sandor555 wrote:

Added lighting damage gem & +1 all meg +2 lighting gem Staff. What do u think?

The reaso to use +fire is the simple fact that the summon raging spirit gem itself is also fire based, mneaning it will get +2 lvls from that mod. Lightning will remove a hell of a lot DMG due to the EE being applied with lightning dmg as it is the fastest most effective way on boss fights, as well as the minion gem itself not being provided with any extra lvls.
And keep in mind that Hatred scales of phys dmg that is increased by the minions lvl itself that then scales multiplied by the support gems etc etc.

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A1Ro wrote:

very interesting build, but would not be better to use "Chober Chaber" +1 minion, +1 melee and 15% inc. dur. ?? ty

It is a very good question that i get from time to time over my livestream.
The answer is that chober chaber is good, but not great. the +1melee and +1 minion is equivalent to 1 mod on the rare staff (+1 lvl to gems). After this comparison you have to compare the +15% inc duration which is a very nice bonus, this bonus has 2 things you have to think about:
1) You already have 90% inc duration from your tree, the more duration inc you have the longer your "charge" time is before you actually reach your peak DPS.
2) 15% inc duration gives you a very small bonus compared to the bonus you recieve from having +2 fire gems on a rare staff, as the minion gem itself goes up 2 lvls.