[2.0] THOR'S RAINBOWNUKE: DO ALL MAPS, UBER ATZIRI, AND EXPLOSIONS!

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tackle70 wrote:
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Fear_Murder_Gaming wrote:
Hi guys,excellent guide.

Question 1: Is it still possible and effective to run non crit RT, non VP still? If so what should your life be at after all 7 auras and what should your ES shied be around? Also running blood rage.

Question 2: If running above build is viable, does Arc or Discharge come 1st on the Mjolner Weapon Slot locations?

Question 3: what stats should I get on the rare gloves i need to buy?

Currently i'm at 211/2012 life and 6334 ES with all 7 auras up(VIT,Discipline,Purity of Fire/Light/Ice,Haste,Herald of Ice)

my current gear
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my tree
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any help would be appreciated, thanks guys.


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Non-crit, non-VP is what I was running until a couple days ago and it's perfectly viable. Once you get to a certain level with your DPS, though, reflect will start being super dangerous, and VP starts being an attractive option, which is why I switched. I don't think you will have an issue on your current setup with that; you're not using lightning penetration and don't have 21/20 gems so your DPS shouldn't make reflect super dangerous.

I recommend switching to VP if you ever start dying a lot to reflect.

If you are using Shavronne's Revelation, you are not going to have issues with Blood Rage overpowering your regen and degen-ing your ES.

2) Arc 1st

3) In order of priority:
-High ES
-enough of either +STR/+DEX to save you some passive points on the tree and ensure you can use Mjolner
-enough elemental resist to ensure you're capped
-Chaos resist

An open suffix slot for master crafting can go a long way, as such:


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hey thanks for the reply. so this build variation is not suitable for atziri or uber atziri?


Normal Atziri is really easy with this build. Not sure about Uber being easy if not using VP... I've just never gotten around to trying Uber, though others have used this build on her just fine.


Hey Tackle,
Thanks for the reply. If I do switch to VP, what would change on the skill tree? Could you post a tree please. Also would anything else change from my setup, like any of the gear gems or flasks?
Also here are the gloves i got:
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THanks.
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Fear_Murder_Gaming wrote:
Hey Tackle,
Thanks for the reply. If I do switch to VP, what would change on the skill tree? Could you post a tree please. Also would anything else change from my setup, like any of the gear gems or flasks?
Also here are the gloves i got:
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THanks.


My current tree

Note that I do not use a Blood Magic variant of this build, so there are some differences (my gear/gem setup is on the previous page just a couple posts up from yours), but in theory all that you'd have to do to switch to VP on your setup is replace Vitality with something else and use flasks or LGOH for your life regen so you can sustain attacking. You'd also want to spec out of your life regen nodes and get either spell/lightning damage or ES.

I would not recommend switching to a VP variant of the build unless you are dying to reflect (or otherwise feeling the need for more survivability), though. At 40% leech, you need a crapton of DPS to get a real survivability boost.

Those gloves honestly aren't great for the build; they're real low on ES and add significantly to your life, which will increase the degen on Blood Rage without being any real benefit to you. It would be worth saving up for a multi-exalt pair of ES gloves as you get the chance.
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Last edited by tackle70#1293 on Feb 6, 2015, 11:36:40 AM
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tackle70 wrote:
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Fear_Murder_Gaming wrote:
Hey Tackle,
Thanks for the reply. If I do switch to VP, what would change on the skill tree? Could you post a tree please. Also would anything else change from my setup, like any of the gear gems or flasks?
Also here are the gloves i got:
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THanks.


My current tree

Note that I do not use a Blood Magic variant of this build, so there are some differences (my gear/gem setup is on the previous page just a couple posts up from yours), but in theory all that you'd have to do to switch to VP on your setup is replace Vitality with something else and use flasks or LGOH for your life regen so you can sustain attacking. You'd also want to spec out of your life regen nodes and get either spell/lightning damage or ES.

I would not recommend switching to a VP variant of the build unless you are dying to reflect (or otherwise feeling the need for more survivability), though. At 40% leech, you need a crapton of DPS to get a real survivability boost.

Those gloves honestly aren't great for the build; they're real low on ES and add significantly to your life, which will increase the degen on Blood Rage without being any real benefit to you. It would be worth saving up for a multi-exalt pair of ES gloves as you get the chance.



Hi,
Well I think I need to level my gems up to max before I switch anything. How much life do you need to have to activate level 20 Blood Rage? Currently im at 233/2122 and 6079 ES. I mean wouldnt you kill yourself if you HP drops too low? Also I cant get my 7 auras active without using x2 Reduced Mana skill gems. I see other setups with my gear only using x1 Reduced Mana gem and throwing in a Empower Gem. How does one accomplish this?
Thanks for the help
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Last edited by Fear_Murder_Gaming#1934 on Feb 6, 2015, 11:52:14 AM
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Fear_Murder_Gaming wrote:

Hi,
Well I think I need to level my gems up to max before I switch anything.


This is what I recommend as well. Keep things as is for a while; don't switch for the sake of novelty or because some guy on a forum told you it's better - test for yourself, and if you feel the need for VP, spec into it.

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How much life do you need to have to activate level 20 Blood Rage? Currently im at 233/2122 and 6079 ES. I mean wouldnt you kill yourself if you HP drops too low?


Chaos resist becomes mandatory. I'm at 34% chaos resist (69% with flask up). 2K life / 8K ES. Blood rage does indeed degen, but it's never that dangerous - if I'm in a fight, I leech to full health, and blood rage will only degen about 1.5K ES if I just let it run. I can also pop Vaal Discipline if I end a fight (thus resetting the BR timer) and have low-ish ES.

I wouldn't really recommend running VP with negative chaos resist... BR would be a bit dangerous then. It's only good once you have at least 0 chaos resist pre-flask and enough ES that you're not draining 30%+ of your ES pool on a 17 second blood rage.

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Also I cant get my 7 auras active without using x2 Reduced Mana skill gems. I see other setups with my gear only using x1 Reduced Mana gem and throwing in a Empower Gem. How does one accomplish this?
Thanks for the help


This is correct. You will not run 7 auras with my setup (not using Blood Magic / Mortal Conviction); I do not run haste. I run empowered purity of fire, purity of lightning, and discipline on mana. Purity of ice, enhanced herald of thunder, and clarity on life. My gem setup is a bit different due to the differences in how auras are set up.
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Last edited by tackle70#1293 on Feb 6, 2015, 12:33:04 PM
OK. Just dinged at 97 (yay!) and it's time to play a fun little game I like to call "Will it RIP?"

Basically, I'm going to run all the super dangerous stuff I avoided during leveling and see where the limits of my build currently are. If YOU have a map you don't want to run, and want to donate to the cause, hit me up in the next couple days (before I start the quest to 98) and I'll video it. I will do anything except Blood Magic maps. Bosses will NOT be skipped under any circumstances :)

If you want to see any of these maps video'd in full with a Zana mod applied, also let me know - I will front the chaos cost but you will have to provide the Vaal Orbs.

NOTE: I won't be doing Uber yet, as I've not yet found a complete Mortal set, and I'm too inexperienced in the Atziri fight still for it to be worth me spending exalts on buying a set. I WILL eventually get around to it, though.

I'll post videos of anything that RIPs me and update once I've gotten through all these.

Current RIP contenders


The Vaal Temple in there are easy maps, but I've not quite figured out all the mechanics of the boss fight, so may RIP to them. Should be good practice for Uber Trio though.

There's a couple of -max & elemental reflect maps in there. I'm not sure I'll even be able to clear those, let alone avoid dying, especially since the -max rolls are high. However, I have some hope that I might be able to get through the rest of the pack without being in too bad a shape.

If anyone has any suggestions for how I might survive -25% max res and elemental reflect, I'm all ears... currently thinking of only using Arc in my mjolner, carying 3 topaz flasks, and figuring out a way to use a level 20 Warlord's Mark for an extra ~7% life leech.
The 352nd character to hit Level 100 in Standard
The 82nd character to hit Delve 1000 in Standard
Last edited by tackle70#1293 on Feb 6, 2015, 7:00:22 PM
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tackle70 wrote:
OK. Just dinged at 97 (yay!) and it's time to play a fun little game I like to call "Will it RIP?"

Basically, I'm going to run all the super dangerous stuff I avoided during leveling and see where the limits of my build currently are. If YOU have a map you don't want to run, and want to donate to the cause, hit me up in the next couple days (before I start the quest to 98) and I'll video it. I will do anything except Blood Magic maps. Bosses will NOT be skipped under any circumstances :)

If you want to see any of these maps video'd in full with a Zana mod applied, also let me know - I will front the chaos cost but you will have to provide the Vaal Orbs.

NOTE: I won't be doing Uber yet, as I've not yet found a complete Mortal set, and I'm too inexperienced in the Atziri fight still for it to be worth me spending exalts on buying a set. I WILL eventually get around to it, though.

I'll post videos of anything that RIPs me and update once I've gotten through all these.

Current RIP contenders


The Vaal Temple in there are easy maps, but I've not quite figured out all the mechanics of the boss fight, so may RIP to them. Should be good practice for Uber Trio though.

There's a couple of -max & elemental reflect maps in there. I'm not sure I'll even be able to clear those, let alone avoid dying, especially since the -max rolls are high. However, I have some hope that I might be able to get through the rest of the pack without being in too bad a shape.

If anyone has any suggestions for how I might survive -25% max res and elemental reflect, I'm all ears... currently thinking of only using Arc in my mjolner, carying 3 topaz flasks, and figuring out a way to use a level 20 Warlord's Mark for an extra ~7% life leech.


Hey Tackle,
Do you have teamspeak or mumble, i would like to discuss some things on this build if you dont mind. Let me know i have servers for both.
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Try using a saffel. If you need more strenght replace the belt with an heavy belt.
Last edited by manu91xd#0324 on Feb 7, 2015, 4:23:15 AM
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Fear_Murder_Gaming wrote:
Hey Tackle,
Do you have teamspeak or mumble, i would like to discuss some things on this build if you dont mind. Let me know i have servers for both.


Just hit me up in game sometime if you want to chat; don't have a microphone.

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manu91xd wrote:
Try using a saffel. If you need more strenght replace the belt with an heavy belt.


Annnnnnnnnnd DONE :)

Both the Shrine and Crema that were -max + ele reflect complete deathless. Swapped out my helm so I could use Saffel's, and ran two Topaz flasks instead of 1. Didn't use Blood Rage as usual either, since I had to play it slow and rely on ES recharge to stay alive. Can post videos if anyone cares but they're ~20 minutes per map and that's going to take a long time to upload and I don't feel like it right now.





I really didn't expect to clear those maps deathless... impressive stuff.

I did make a fool of myself by getting culled 6 times in Hall of Grandmasters though and didn't realize what was going on until I went back and watched the video of it.
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Last edited by tackle70#1293 on Feb 7, 2015, 11:06:19 PM
Lol culling strike is kinda troll for all low life characters xDDD
So I finished up that crop of maps testing where the limits of my build are right now, and I'm impressed. I didn't RIP to any of the -max maps, though several of them were obviously dangerous. -max Palace Dominus is no joke.

-max + ele reflect is dangerous and if I ran enough of those, eventually I'd probably get some sort of nasty situation where I died. But I went 2/2 on deathless for those.

The only thing that got me was the Vaal Temple trio with Enfeeble / +75% lightning resist. Ripped twice to that while killing the boss... I underestimated how much more difficult the fight would be when my leech was weakened due to the DPS hit taken from enfeeble. I probably could have done it deathless if I had been more careful; I expected enfeeble/+lightning resist to be trivial mods but they actually proved quite dangerous.

My conclusions are that my build can do almost every map that doesn't have a Blood Magic mod. Any map that has -max resist and elemental reflect is risky. Vaal Temple with bad mods is risky. A -max map with bad enough mods could also be risky (say, a crematorium with twinned / overlord's / deadly / of exposure / of vulnerability or other some such craziness).

Basically, with the exception of Blood Magic, all but the 1% of the most difficult 1% of maps are doable deathless with this :)
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