Molten Strike & Point Blank interaction

Is the max distance of the Molten Strike projectiles so low that it always triggers the 50% more dmg from point blank? Is there any way to know what the max distance of MS projectiles is?

Dev reply would be very appreciated! :)

i was just messing with the same combo today.
i saw no evidence of the Molten Strike or the Spectral Throw behaving any diferently with teh Point Blank.

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Abstrx wrote:

i saw no evidence of the Molten Strike or the Spectral Throw behaving any diferently with teh Point Blank.

And by that you mean what exactly? :D

Yesterday i tried molten strike with a one hand axe and with the wideswing unique axe. I noticed that wit wideswing the projectiles seemed to spread much more. So maybe projectile range has something to do with weapon range (or i am just imagining things, possible).

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Humperding wrote:

Yesterday i tried molten strike with a one hand axe and with the wideswing unique axe. I noticed that wit wideswing the projectiles seemed to spread much more. So maybe projectile range has something to do with weapon range (or i am just imagining things, possible).

This was addressed in the most recent newsletter:
Here is a link for you

Here's a picture from that newsletter emphasizing how AoE works with Molten Strike:


As you can see, increasing your AoE (via passives or support gems) increases both the splash area of the projectile and the range of the projectile.

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RulerofAsgard wrote:

As you can see, increasing your AoE (via passives or support gems) increases both the splash area of the projectile and the range of the projectile.

I saw that post, and it's very informative indeed. It seems to me Increased AoE gem isn't worth it for Molten Strike.

However, I still do not know the answer to my question: with no AoE changes, does the 50% more dmg from Point Blank always apply to Molten Strike projectiles? I asked a lot of ppl, no one was sure. I got the most explicit answer from WillyWonka: "yes, that is my theory, but I am not 100% sure". I would like to be sure in order to know if going for Point Blank all the way from the Marauder area is really worth it.

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ComradeSerge wrote:

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RulerofAsgard wrote:

As you can see, increasing your AoE (via passives or support gems) increases both the splash area of the projectile and the range of the projectile.

I saw that post, and it's very informative indeed. It seems to me Increased AoE gem isn't worth it for Molten Strike.

However, I still do not know the answer to my question: with no AoE changes, does the 50% more dmg from Point Blank always apply to Molten Strike projectiles? I asked a lot of ppl, no one was sure. I got the most explicit answer from WillyWonka: "yes, that is my theory, but I am not 100% sure". I would like to be sure in order to know if going for Point Blank all the way from the Marauder area is really worth it.

Not quite 50%, but close.
PB is 1.5x at range 10 down to 1x at range ~35 (then down to 0x at range ~120, upper corner of the screen farthest away).

Without any AoE, the balls fall very close to range 10 from the source, so the 1.5x damage should be mostly expected. With AoE, it's somewhere between 1.5x and 1x.

I highly doubt it's ever a penalty.

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As for the tree, if you're getting Iron Reflexes and the Thick Skin cluster, you're already 90% of the way there.

PB is 3 points away from the dex node entrance to Thick Skin. Very small price for such a strong node.

Hm, ok, so you think the 1.5x multiplier would apply most of the time. Did I understand correct? If so, then that makes it pretty worth it, yeah.



Best answer I got so far, ty! :)

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ComradeSerge wrote:

However, I still do not know the answer to my question: with no AoE changes, does the 50% more dmg from Point Blank always apply to Molten Strike projectiles? I asked a lot of ppl, no one was sure. I got the most explicit answer from WillyWonka: "yes, that is my theory, but I am not 100% sure". I would like to be sure in order to know if going for Point Blank all the way from the Marauder area is really worth it.

Well, we need only one piece of info for that - the radius over which MS sprays projectiles, now we just have to press Mark into divulging it.

From careful testing with point blank gem using a broadsword which has the most consistent damage range on ledge skellies I'd say it works properly and there aren't any unpleasant surprises like projectiles counting travel time instead of distance.

Lacking confirmation from Mark, my even more careful measurements revealed that 'spraying radius' is 16 units. So, within 10 units you'd have a full 50% more PB bonus, and from 10 to 16 units it will drop linearly from 50% to 38%.

According to Mark, only Rain of arrows takes into account the actual distance of each enemy from projectile origin, all other skills use projectile travel distance so we can ignore blast radius of individual fireballs (which I guesstimate to be 8 or 9). So, the biggest distance at which you can strike an enemy is 25, but you will still have 38% more damage at that distance.

I say it's well worth it.

Is there a way to summon Mark for the exact number on the MS projectiles' max distance? :D