Shockingly strong flamethrower build (Incinerate + Three Dragons)

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Slabas wrote:

hey only 1 question atziri normal viable? for this first post build?
skill tree:
https://poebuilder.com/character/AAAAAgMA37CCEAelAuNJsiych2UQWBEtuJPN-nyD8WysmCqNSRs22OxVgh42ifTpZ71Pr9sLJjwW8y-df8Z-WSepJpVh4lVLjDZQQi1HHNwWvx9BAx6kseWOnWNd8nOz8GsV55eXRXzB86KjlSBrF7zqwFRqQwj0VcY6WF8qdFUabBZvJKrjajbp6-7VgSTYhW2a4EWdU1IpT-Qi7DgaOKeEkFW1BF3GYG3d8-Fz7SBG1wVbi4x-4vrSqZWAVk99UWBtGUVHJ2HzvgbpgzidgKIAFE0Es_AfLYsfxyt4LR9MswQHg9vfijLR

this one do more dps than mine (30%more tells poebuilder) but you will suffer with atziri unless you have a very good gear.
you block only 50% (that is 33% "less") and you have only 15% "more" life (or +20% increase).
And Three Dragon is useless for big boss, you need to use something else.

dealing huge dps is good but if you are dead you dont do dps anymore...

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Claustrox wrote:

@DtAndroid build
What about grab mind drinker for 2 passives?

Andrea

Mind Drinker specified both Physical and Attack, so its mana leech properties wont work. I doubt you would want 20% increased mana only.

Neither does Blood Drinker's leech applies to us but it is point investment efficient into %life and pave the way to the %block cluster.

@DarkManda: Faster Projectiles really inhibits your dps by a huge margin. 20% Quality your Incinerate and you can put in Added Chaos/Lightning. 20% Added Lightning gives 10% chance to shock so if you are looking to free up 2 more passive points that will be the way to go. DPS-wise, I'm hitting almost 3.3k with Added Lightning + Chaos on level 16 gems.

Izno never tested it with Atziri, I think he said. I am waiting until I craft or find or buy better boots and gloves (hey, a belt wouldn't hurt either) to try.

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DtAndroid wrote:

@DarkManda: Faster Projectiles really inhibits your dps by a huge margin. 20% Quality your Incinerate and you can put in Added Chaos/Lightning. 20% Added Lightning gives 10% chance to shock so if you are looking to free up 2 more passive points that will be the way to go. DPS-wise, I'm hitting almost 3.3k with Added Lightning + Chaos on level 16 gems.

i have made some test yesterday.
-i add ALD Q20 and remove the Three Dragon : we dont shock a lot because the lightning damage are to low due to the dmg effectivness of incinerate.
-i changed the Incinerate for a Q20. range become very nice with Faster Proj but is a bit too short for me without it (i missed ballistic passif point :( )
-I add ACD and DPS in the tooltip took a great boost.
-Changed ACD for fire penetration, tooltip dont take care of it but dps seems to be +/- the same. but shock status is longer on all enemies!

so,
-Three dragon is very powerfull because we shock a lot (40% more dmg)
-ALD Q20 without Three dragon is not a good choice
-ALD Q20 with Three Dragon shock a lot but dps is not as good as with fire pen or ACD
-ACD is powerfull but perhaps fire penetration is as powerfull and can have better shock

i need to test with a Q20 faster proj because i think 10% faster casting will add a lot of dps (perhaps more than ALD).

The good gem setup (for me) is :
-Incinerate
-LMP
-Echo
-faster cast

then the DPS setup :
-added chaos
-fire penetration

or nice setup configuration without having to run because you can fire accross all the screen:
-Faster proj
-added chaos or fire penetration

with this set up:
i can face tank Merveil in 75 map and i do 5000 tooltip dps
Herald of ice add 400 dps :p

i am near to have my gem lvl20 so i can craft them for add quality and test again wich one is better between ACD/FirePen/FasterProj

build ?

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mopzi wrote:

build ?

this one

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DarkManda wrote:

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mopzi wrote:

build ?

this one

just a fast reply to this:

For my personal preference, i would take the Static blows talent and take all the cast speed nodes that you touch upon (6 points for 24% cast speed). You also miss alot of very important and huge damage nodes (like 20% projectile damage, 18% fire damage etc)


and darkmanda, i have done alot of tests with faster projectiles and deemed it worse than other supports like ALD. However, the increased reach does increase your survivability a bit. I used to use faster proj (20%q) alot, but swapped it out later for more superior support gems

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The good gem setup (for me) is :
-Incinerate
-LMP
-Echo
-faster cast

then the DPS setup :
-added chaos
-fire penetration

this seems correct. To reduce the mana usesage, you can choose to switch ACD for ALD for a bit lower mana multiplier



To touch upon the questions about atziri: this build is made for insanely fast map clears (huge cast speed for lightning warp) and very high DPS. (map clears for 75 maps of about 5 minutes per map).
So advantage of build:
- Fun to play
- Fast map clears
- Cheap to play
- High dps
- Mobile
Disadvantage:
- Trouble with the toughest bosses (like atziri)
- Not the safest of builds and vulnerable to desync

You can make this build safer, this will however reduce the advantages of the build.
Taking more survivability will obviously reduce your map clear speed and dps


Shocking bosses is certainly possible (Even the higher ones, like 75 map bosses). You just need enough damage on your incinerate and have fire pen+Q-ALD as support gems


How I would make the build with the new tree

http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgMAAuMDHgSzBVsG6QelCPQMfQz3DkgQWBB_ES0RlhRNFecWbxa_FvMaOBpsHoEfQR_HJKomPCaVJ2Eo-ilPK3gsnC2LL50y0TY9Nok26UVHRXxFnUbXSbJLjU99T69RYFNSVUtdxl3yXh9gbWHiYqxnvWpDaxdsjG0Zc7N8g35ZfuJ_xoBWghCCHoKbgseDOIdli4yMNpBVlSCXl5rgnWOdgJ2qogCio6Sxp4Spla9stMW1BLiTvOrAVMHzxYrGns362wvd89-K37Dhc-Nq44TkIuWO6dXr7uw47SDwH_Br87706fno-tL_HA==

Opinions in swapping these in? at the least should be swapped, it has better dps, and I havent noticed any surviveability loss. I only have 68% block chance though, so I supposed it could be worse than paw with 75%?

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Rashaken wrote:

Opinions in swapping these in? at the least

should be swapped, it has better dps, and I havent noticed any surviveability loss. I only have 68% block chance though, so I supposed it could be worse than paw with 75%?

i havent tested doryianis catalyst myself.
But I would personally think its worse than cybil's

the LOH is way more effective (with 10 casts per second and LMP) than the lifesteal%

So going on instinct i would take cybil's and not doryani's (and cybils is also way cheaper i think)

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iznobest wrote:

i havent tested doryianis catalyst myself.
But I would personally think its worse than cybil's

the LOH is way more effective (with 10 casts per second and LMP) than the lifesteal%

So going on instinct i would take cybil's and not doryani's (and cybils is also way cheaper i think)

You're right, was a rather large dps loss, not sure how I managed to think otherwise.

Dps went from tooltip 6689 down to 6275. Atleast I had a catalyst sitting in storage and didn't waste currency trying it.