World first Ambush Atziri kill

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Hetic wrote:

I assume this kill was the "brute-force" approach, correct? Doesn't seem that anyone has found a trick to the encounter yet.

If you try brute forcing you won't kill her. Here are a few tips:

- You need to be able to reach 90%+ fire res to tank unavoidable flameblasts. OP had 84% fire res, 94% with a ruby flask.
- You also want high lightning res so stormcalls won't kill you. OP had 84% lightning res, 94% with a topaz.
- You want at least 5k HP so a normal stormcall hit doesn't kill you and so you can manage against spearthrows.
- You want an antibleed flask against the puncture.
- You need to have enough DPS to kill the miscreations before they heal her.
- In the fractured phase you have to target the one that is holding the flame. The other targets are a trap with huge elemental/physical reflect.
- You need to have decent skill to dodge her many flameblasts/stormcalls. This is the most sketchy part and is what leads to many deaths. Many times it's almost unavoidable(especially with lower movement). OP's build has very high movement due to buffed haste + high IAS with whirling.

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kasub wrote:

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Hetic wrote:

I assume this kill was the "brute-force" approach, correct? Doesn't seem that anyone has found a trick to the encounter yet.

If you try brute forcing you won't kill her. Here are a few tips:

- You need to be able to reach 90%+ fire res to tank unavoidable flameblasts. OP had 84% fire res, 96% with a ruby flask.
- You also want high lightning res so stormcalls won't kill you. OP had 84% lightning res, 96% with a topaz.
- You want at least 5k HP so a normal stormcall hit doesn't kill you and so you can manage against spearthrows.
- You want an antibleed flask against the puncture.
- You need to have enough DPS to kill the miscreations before they heal her.
- In the fractured phase you have to target the one that is holding the flame. The other targets are a trap with huge elemental/physical reflect.
- You need to have decent skill to dodge her many flameblasts/stormcalls. This is the most sketchy part and is what leads to many deaths. Many times it's almost unavoidable(especially with lower movement). OP's build has very high movement due to buffed haste + high IAS with whirling.

Would infinite quicksilver flask work?

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kasub wrote:

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Hetic wrote:

I assume this kill was the "brute-force" approach, correct? Doesn't seem that anyone has found a trick to the encounter yet.

If you try brute forcing you won't kill her. Here are a few tips:

- You need to be able to reach 90%+ fire res to tank unavoidable flameblasts. OP had 84% fire res, 96% with a ruby flask.
- You also want high lightning res so stormcalls won't kill you. OP had 84% lightning res, 96% with a topaz.
- You want at least 5k HP so a normal stormcall hit doesn't kill you and so you can manage against spearthrows.
- You want an antibleed flask against the puncture.
- You need to have enough DPS to kill the miscreations before they heal her.
- In the fractured phase you have to target the one that is holding the flame. The other targets are a trap with huge elemental/physical reflect.
- You need to have decent skill to dodge her many flameblasts/stormcalls. This is the most sketchy part and is what leads to many deaths. Many times it's almost unavoidable(especially with lower movement). OP's build has very high movement due to buffed haste + high IAS with whirling.

Sorry, I wasn't saying brute force as in he just facetanked her the whole time, I understand that he had to have certain flasks/skills/items and skill to pull this off(this is what I characterize as brute force). I'm more curious if maybe there is a mechanic in the fight that people in general don't understand that would trivialize part of the encounter. An example would be like if you curse the minions that sacrifice themselves to her then she in turn gets weaker. I just think people haven't found the gimmick to this fight, but maybe there is none.

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Hetic wrote:

I assume this kill was the "brute-force" approach, correct? Doesn't seem that anyone has found a trick to the encounter yet.

It was "brute force" in that he died 3 times. Not really that much for a first solo attempt with that gear. He regularly soloed double 78 Palace dominus with any other map mods with this build in domination. Vids are on his build page. He stated that now that he knows the tricks he thinks he could do it without dying. Whether he can or not will of course be pure speculation until he proves it, but I'd put my money on him doing it.

Not only was he a bit undergeared, but he was 10 levels below the people doing it in standard. It's impressive to me.

@Kasub - wouldn't it be 94% with flasks active? I don't think he takes flask nodes.

Congrats Mathil. Very cool to be #1!!!

Congratz op very nice.

I am sort of disappointed you disclosed your gear and build, now i figure 30 of the 50 kills will be done using this build, which is rather sad.

But still a very impressive feat, Wp sir.

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@Kasub - wouldn't it be 94% with flasks active? I don't think he takes flask nodes.

I made the mistake of counting inner force with flasks.. Just realized the buffs are the affixes themselves such as the ironskin affix on granites. Will edit that out.

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I'm more curious if maybe there is a mechanic in the fight that people in general don't understand that would trivialize part of the encounter.

Well the fractured phase was killing people who had no understanding of it. Knowing how to dodge her flameblasts seems to be key. OP commented that he did her again and got the boots(which I assume took no deaths)/

gz mathil, you didnt need to an accumulated 10 000 worth of rmted exalts and bis gear to do it either.

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kasub wrote:

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Hetic wrote:

I assume this kill was the "brute-force" approach, correct? Doesn't seem that anyone has found a trick to the encounter yet.

If you try brute forcing you won't kill her. Here are a few tips:

- You need to be able to reach 90%+ fire res to tank unavoidable flameblasts. OP had 84% fire res, 94% with a ruby flask.
- You also want high lightning res so stormcalls won't kill you. OP had 84% lightning res, 94% with a topaz.
- You want at least 5k HP so a normal stormcall hit doesn't kill you and so you can manage against spearthrows.
- You want an antibleed flask against the puncture.
- You need to have enough DPS to kill the miscreations before they heal her.
- In the fractured phase you have to target the one that is holding the flame. The other targets are a trap with huge elemental/physical reflect.
- You need to have decent skill to dodge her many flameblasts/stormcalls. This is the most sketchy part and is what leads to many deaths. Many times it's almost unavoidable(especially with lower movement). OP's build has very high movement due to buffed haste + high IAS with whirling.

I'm already highly concerned how to beat her as a summoner. Yeah Evangelists seem like the way to go. But I can't see minions reliably dodge the massive amount of damage.

I might also equip my Summoner with Whirling Blades for the fight, seems like a very important thing. But considering the amount of HP the build had it still bothers me a bit. A character with less than 250% increased HP is propably death with one hit, even more so without more than 75% Fire and Lightning-Resistances.

Also I think he didn't try her in Softcore before beating her. So he had success in the second run (since he said he was there with a group before), which is an achievement in it's own. I doubt that any hardcore player just runs in to Atziri without testing her in a softcore league. So they propably train her in softcore until they are able to beat her without deaths in hardcore. Because hardcore isn't any harder than softcore, if you manage to not die in softcore you also manage to not die in hardcore. Invasion is a bit different since the bosses seem to be tough and in difference to ambush were the strongboxes make finding gear far more easy the invasion-bosses seem to serve only one purpose... killing you.

Still he gets all the credit for understanding the fight and even more important performing it perfectly (not perfectly of course because he died, but I'm totally sure that he can manage the fight without a death).

I'm really looking forward facing Atziri myself... although it will propably still take some time and she will also propably slaughter me.

I would be interested if Vaal Detonate Dead provided any value in the fight? I managed to take the corrupted Weaver thingy out with a single cast of vaal detonate dead (just for fun, it took a while to collect the corpses :P) and I also used it to trivilize the dominus-fight (killed everything at the spot were the 2nd form appears and a single cast drained 75% of the 2nd forms HP).

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I would be interested if Vaal Detonate Dead provided any value in the fight?

Pretty sure aztiri miscreations don't charge the vaal gem. There is no where enough corpses and she has too much HP for it to be useful with one cast.

Also I can't see it being done by a summoner. Aztiri nukes the entire screen regularly with stormcalls/flameblasts.