What Happens When the Domination and Nemesis Leagues End?

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Amalaira wrote:

Legacy items are such a terrible idea in the first place. In fact, I strongly believe that the only items which should EVER be limited are alternate art items. Just like microtransactions, the legacy items should have no effect on gameplay. It is not only incredibly unfair to any players who actually PICK UP the game after the change, but it just doesn't make any sense in the first place.

Basically, if something is overpowered (let's use Kaom's for example) and is worthy of a nerf (as it was), then there SHOULD NOT BE ANY that have the old stats on it. Do you honestly think that some exclusive group of people are worthy of having an overpowered item, when the majority of players are not? One of the main points of playing in the permanent leagues is to obtain the best items, and that just isn't possible for many people due to the legacies. It's technically possible, but they would have to pay an absurd amount, which is stupid. It's punishing your new(er) players, who are, I imagine, a fair bit of your income from microtransactions.

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I also do not think that item quantity should be in the game either. The rate that people get items should be ENTIRELY based off of how well and efficiently you kill the monsters, and not having a IQ/IR-stacked culling strike character who does ALL of the kills (or killing blows). That isn't fun, nor is it "skill-requiring". It's just silly. So, I guess it's nice that they are considering removing the gem...?

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Mivo wrote:

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Chris wrote:

Old mods and items will not be removed or changed for players who currently have them. Powerful legacy items are a feature of the permanent leagues.

And the feature that makes the permanent leagues an unattractive place not only, but especially, for new players. Functionally irrelevant fluff items like kiwis are one thing, items that are functionally far more powerful than anything that's presently available are worse than overpowered cash store items in P2W games (because these would still be equally obtainable by everyone).

I feel that legacy items are a really short sighted design, and for me, they are the biggest minus of the game. Sure, I can play 4-months leagues, and will do so, and maybe HC because at least some of the legacy toxic gets purged if someone doesn't press alt+F4 fast enough, but I shouldn't have to avoid the "main" league if I want to play on equal footing (especially with PvP on the horizon).

I wish you wouldn't put the interests of a tiny fraction of your player base over game balance and "fair"play.

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Fuglen wrote:

I hate shrines..

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Sheriff_K wrote:

I think Shrines go against GGG's philosophy behind Parent/Child Leagues. They said that a Child Leagues "Mod" shoudl NEVER make the game easier than the Parent League, only harder, yet Shrines effectively give "Godmode" and extra mob density...

How is that "harder"? <_<

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LordItchy wrote:

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Fuglen wrote:

I hate shrines..

OMG Yes! I absolutely hate shrines. They just slaughter my legacy computer!

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Item quantity will be revisited in 1.1.0. We are highly likely to prevent the Item Quantity support gem from dropping in 1.1.0 and to prevent the Item Quantity mod from spawning on magic or rare items. Item Quantity will continue to exist on Unique items, but we may review its magnitude.

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Pam wrote:

domination is so bad
I really hope that the power of the shrines are going to be adjusted in hardcore ... Little point to progress if you can transform your character into a god for several minutes

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Rhys wrote:

"Legacy" items are a natural consequence of our implementation of the mod system. When a mod is rolled, the result is stored in the item. The maximum and minimum values are never used except for the initial roll and any subsequent rerolls (Blessed Orb, Divine Orb, etc).

This means that if we change the max/min values for a mod, e.g. the +life mod on Kaom's Heart, this does not directly effect any existing items, only new ones that drop or old ones that are rerolled. Another way to create legacy items (at least for Uniques) is if we add or remove entire mods from the item.

This also means that we do not have legacy items of skill gems or currency, because they do not have mods. We do not have legacy passive skill trees because we do not support multiple trees.

So legacy items only happen when we make numerical changes to min/max values of mods, or if we add/remove entire mods from a unique. We do not create legacy items when we change what mods do (this is fairly rare, though).

If we really wanted, we could painstakingly go through every item on the realm and perform an "item migration" to update legacy items to their modern equivalents. However, this is something of a last resort; it has several downsides:
-it requires substantial downtime of the entire realm for an unknown-but-lengthy period of time.
-it requires manually looking at every individual item we wanted to update and writing a custom upgrade script for each one.
-any mistakes or reversals of balance affect the entire realm's items, rather than a handful of new items dropped between patches.
-pissing off often long-time players by (potentially) destroying significant wealth right out of their stash.
-we'd have to do it all again every time we made changes that would result in a legacy item.

I'm not saying legacy items are all sunshine and rainbows, but they are at worst a necessary evil.