Oro's Righteous Fire Marauder [1.2.0]

life leech doesn't work with degen damage. hits only

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VixTrader wrote:

Not even close... I just bought a 100% Doryani's just to test it, and maybe prepare for the day snapshotting is fixed, and the damage reduction is VERY noticeable.

I wore my Carcass Jack for casting and playing during my testing, and the only changes I made were casting it with either redbeaks on switch or Doryani's just as the main hand.

I'm not saying Doryani's isn't doable, actually the damage is still enough to have fun playing the character. But monsters don't melt like they normally do. You definitely have to linger for a second or so longer then usual, and on blue packs and rares it's really quite noticable.

I also didn't feel like I was leeching any life at all. I'd need to do more testing, but whoever said the life leech works, are you sure? If it was working, it wasn't really a useful stat.

Of course one Doryani's is less than two Redbeaks - it's the difference between a 110% damage modifier and a 200% damage modifier. If you want to use it for snapshotting now - use two of them. I didn't think I needed to explain that part. Why would you limit yourself to 110% when you could just as easily have 220%?

My point was - and still is - that when the snapshotting process with Redbeaks no longer functions, and we have no choice but to use our main-hand weapon to improve RF's damage, Doryani's will be the best choice.

Moreover, you didn't do anything with fire damage jewelry, which will be a necessity to recover from the loss of damage when Redbeaks don't work. You can fairly easily get 20% from two rings and an amulet, and more than 30% is possible.

Lastly: no one here said the leech works without being corrected in the last ~30 pages of this thead. In fact, I've stated that it doesn't work with RF probably half a dozen times in this thread alone. For your convenience: Righteous Fire does not score hits, as it is a degeneration effect. The same can be said for Searing Bond and the cloud portion of Poison Arrow. None of these effects can leech life because life leech only triggers with on-hit effects.

Would you stop moving the goal posts you nob. You clearly said, and I quoted you on it, that Doryani's is actually better than redbeaks for casting RF, AFTER snapshotting is fixed. You made a specific point to actually state that everything you have said is assuming stapshotting is FIXED. Why are you now talking about using 2 of them to cast RF? Did you forget that without a damn shield, the build doesn't even work anyway. LOL

And I never said that life leech works, I said the exact opposite. Are you in the habit of teaching people things that they've just taught you? Interesting approach...

why isnt the "Holy Strength"(near EA) notable passive taken in the sample skill tree? is there any downsides to using it?

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VixTrader wrote:

Why are you now talking about using 2 of them to cast RF?

Allow me to be as explicit as I can:

At the moment, snapshot mechanics exist. People commonly use two Redbeak swords to improve Righteous Fire damage. Exchanging them for high-roll Doryani's Catalysts on a 1:1 basis is likely to provide a small improvement to damage output.

When aura snapshots are fixed, Redbeaks won't be a viable option - no one is going to run around on low life on a build like this. So, we need to use something else. In this case, Doryani's Catalyst is still the best option because perfect ones provide so much damage for us. In order to come as close to preserving the level of performance we have with snapshotting, we'll need to recover as much of the lost damage modifier as possible - which will probably include one Catalyst and fire damage jewelry.

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VixTrader wrote:

And I never said that life leech works, I said the exact opposite.

Your post came across as uncertain, so I offered clarification. I've placed emphasis on the words that conveyed uncertainty.

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VixTrader wrote:

I also didn't feel like I was leeching any life at all. I'd need to do more testing, but whoever said the life leech works, are you sure? If it was working, it wasn't really a useful stat.

Which led me to believe you would benefit from confirmation.

You continued with:

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VixTrader wrote:

Are you in the habit of teaching people things that they've just taught you? Interesting approach...

If you had read my post on the page of this thread where you first posted, you would see that I said:

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SilkTopHat wrote:

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maverick1986 wrote:

elemental damage leech from doryani catalys work with RF?

Nope. Righteous Fire is a degeneration damage source - it doesn't cause hits. Life leech is only triggered through on-hit effects.

And if you dug a little deeper, you'd find my post on April 1 that said the same thing:

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SilkTopHat wrote:

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Peterlerock wrote:

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Sh4dw0lf wrote:

Could a Doryani's Catalyst be used to gain 1% of Elemental Damage done by RF Build to Regen ? Could it be an alternative to gain an insane amount of Life Regen ?

You cannot leech off of Righteous Fire, it is a buff/debuff spell, not an actual attack.

More precisely - you cannot leech via any damage source that does not cause hits. This is why leech does not work with Desecrate or Searing Bond.

So please consider tempering the tone of your posts.


On a different note:

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renyzen wrote:

why isnt the "Holy Strength"(near EA) notable passive taken in the sample skill tree? is there any downsides to using it?

'Increased buff effect' nodes increases the damage for which Righteous Fire burns the user. There are other life nodes we can take that don't decrease our net regeneration, so it's not typically taken for RF builds.

How are you guys getting the red beak snapshot to work? I turn on my purity, then cast RF while on low life, then switch back to my ROTP. But the damage hasn't increased at all.

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MrGuardian wrote:

How are you guys getting the red beak snapshot to work? I turn on my purity, then cast RF while on low life, then switch back to my ROTP. But the damage hasn't increased at all.

are you sure you have <35% of life?

Maybe to compensate for the upcoming RF nerf... they could release a corrupted mod "1% of burning damage leeched as life" :D

But that would be waay too OP for lots of other builds too... won't happen.

Any way great build! Finally did my first 72 map solo, and it was quite fast and easy as well.

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EcNeRWaLJ wrote:

Maybe to compensate for the upcoming RF nerf...

Is this another one of those unconfirmed nerfs people have been talking about for the past 5 patches - and which hasn't come yet. Or is there actually something to it this time? - And if there is, could I ask for a link please?

Will snapshotting with an animate guardian work if I use it with Leer Cast and Dying Breath?