I wish I had never supported you

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GeoFruck#1167 wrote:

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Gang5ter15#1071 wrote:

What are you even saying. It does not make any sense.
Well for some it might do, but its mostly nonsense. ARPGs are mostly like MMORPGs and those have loots and drop RNG since they were created. Otherwise the game would be boring really fast. People need something to strife for otherwise a game would not be successfull. From Archeage to WOW to Black Desert to New World. Every game like this has RNG on loot. That gives the core Playerbase of a game something to do. You wanna give different Players different things to do. Some Players search for the perfect roll on Items. Some players wanna get the richest through trade. Some just want PvP. Others might only like the story and others a challenge.

A game is more than just a casino simulator. Some person might actually just play through the Campaign in Path of Exile 2 and enjoy it. Other peoples enjoy the Endgame the most and finding the equipment and getting stronger.
Others might just want to trade and craft. Others want to create new broken builds. Other might want to level every class to level 100.

You reduce a game to a single thing which you simply cant do.

No, it's not a real ARPG, it just looks like one. I could break it down for you, but that would also probably be nonsense to you. I'm not surprised that this content seems like nonsense to you, that's what happens when you get brainwashed.

Here's how the game goes, according to the design. Lack of decent, progress-allowing drops and meaningful crafting pushes you to the crappy trade solution (or RMT, which GGG does not seem to mind for some reason), crappy trade will make some realize they can get OP with some gear, get OP gear and cruise through game, rinse and repeat. No challenge, just zooming. Along the way, a player starts wondering how they should build, looks up latest OP builds, adjust character, continues zooming. Now that they know how to play the game, just get to end game, 0-1 button delete build and watch all the cool pixels drop. Casino simulator, now they're a gambling addict and don't even know it. They THINK they are playing an ARPG, but it's not. This game is not fun if you try to play it AS IF it were an ARPG, as people here are trying to point out.

People can try to do what they want in the game, but if you don't play it how it's designed to be played, you will not get the full experience. You probably know that already. If you like what you do, fine, enjoy, but don't expect normal people to settle for a twisted version of what an ARPG is and demand that this game at least allow that.

If GGG were smart about it, they would tweak it to give a more authentic ARPG game mode, and see which players net them the most money. I would wager that the authentic side would, because there wouldn't be a need for RMT, therefore more direct money from appreciative authentic fans (not addicts). I would even pay a nominal fee for additions/expansions (leagues), and others have said the same.

The elitism is really getting tired, though, constant strawmanning, drama-queening, and acting like they don't know the formula I described above. And, use that along with the esc/logout and other exploits I probably haven't even heard here, since you probably have to be in those special clubs. We see right through you all. You are the ones who don't "understand"...that you are being played.

THANK YOU!!!

I quit this game less than 50 hours in because I realized that in over 20 hours of continuous gameplay I hadn't found a single useable piece of gear o the ground... there was nothing... this game wants you to progress ONLY through RMT and through external trading... I wouldn't even be surprised if GGG were actually getting money under the table from all the "illegal" currency-sellers online... they seem to not give a crap about them anyway, so to me that's suspicious...

This game is a big fat scam... I went and played Last Epoch for a while last month and I realized I was getting meaningful gear all the time for my build... sure, the game is "easier" than PoE2 but that's mostly due to it being an actual ARPG with mechanics that offer you power... I also always pick the SSF side cause trading is boring in my humble opinion, I prefer winning by playing...

Sorry but PoE2 is even more shady than Diablo 4 at this point in terms of their gameplay corporate tactics... and that says A LOT!!!

PoE2 is one of the least fun games I've ever played and easily one of the scammiest in terms of corporate tactics and especially because of how much big streamers seem to "love it" despite it being HORRIFICALLY UNFUN!!!

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Blade_Dancer_90#3602 wrote:

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Icesinnox#6517 wrote:

The RNG is the only reason people play these games for more than a few weeks. IN terms of combat it's just point and click. There's nothing deep going on here. And slowing down the gameplay and making it so that you have to CC a few enemies and dodge around a bit more etc. Isn't going to make this a deep video game in terms of combat mechanics.

But there is reasonable RNG and broken RNG... and PoE2 has broken RNG...

Sorry but even at low levels you NEVER find a single useable item on the ground... ever!!!

Which means you either P2W (you can even buy exalts for real money from external websites... total P2W) or trade from the external website for useable gear which makes the game a joke since you NEVER get power by playing!!!

So if you think this regular video game RNG then you're goddamn stupid...

Let's take the biggest competitor series, or the inspiration for this game - you know which one I'm talking about.

And even if we take the weakest entry of that series, the infamous fourth instalment (which I played for a few weeks, then dropped, never bothered with the xpac). Even in this deeply flawed game, every few levels I found an item that made me immediately port to town, go to my stash, and find ways to build around it.

I've played 3 chars through the campaign in this one, dabbled in a few endgame maps with my monk but didn't feel like going on.

In all that time, 160 hours according to Steam, not once have I had that experience. Not once.

The loot in this game is all around garbage that invokes no emotion whatsoever.

People called the D4 loot trash, and in the context of previous entries in the series they were absolutely right.

But this game really takes the cake for shittiest & stingiest loot in a loot based game.

And it's always the same cycle of abuse. Devs act like any loot would come out of their paychecks, and then the users have to come here and beg them for more digital breadcrumbs to feel rewarded.

So sick of this live service garbage. And by the way, live service games are defined by regular content updates. At the pace they're (not) adding content to this game (at all), this early access will take years. It's pathetic.

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_rt_#4636 wrote:

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Gang5ter15#1071 wrote:

First last epoch is actually a fully released game. Second its Buy 2 play which POE 2 wont be. Its a bad comparison.

Completely ignored the last line...
But let's play this game. Let's compare $35 on F2P PoE with $35 on Last Epoch

$35 on PoE:
- Ability to trade (1 upgrade to premium tab)
- Currency tab
- Map tab
- 110 extra coins to get more tabs or upgrade more tabs to premium
- Being under GGG's whim on whether or not your tabs will actually be useful in the future (e.g. Essence tab is useless and unnecessary now, would gladly exchange it back for the coins I've spent on it in the past)
- Having no clue what is the game's development roadmap and what's going to be added and how much more MTX will be "QoL" except it's almost mandatory due to deliberately poor game design
- Braindead 1-button gambling-grinding videogame that has no respect for your time

$35 on LE:
- Ability to trade
- No need for currency tab
- No need for map tab
- "Unlimited" premium stash tabs
- Fully functional tab affinity (to the level of mod and mod tier affinities)
- Built-in loot filter creator
- Identified item drops (no wasting your time picking up trash and identifying it)
- Button to automatically organize your inventory or stash tab
- 1-click pickup whenever a loot fountain of "currency-like" items drop
- Auto gold pickup
- More transparent roadmap
- Full offline play available (EHG can't take the game away from you anymore)
- Cosmetics-only monetization (so far)
- Videogame that respects the time you invest playing

Yep... it's not close indeed

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Pathological#1188 wrote:

They are the least invasive, least predatory monetizer around, and it's not close.

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Pathological#1188 wrote:

least invasive

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Pathological#1188 wrote:

least predatory

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Pathological#1188 wrote:

and it's not close.

THANK YOU!!!

I played Last Epoch a bit last month and the game is massively more fun, massively less tedious, massively more rewarding for your playtime... oh, and actually all kinds of builds work and they're fun... not only the super meta ones!!!

When I play Last Epoch I actually make new characters just to test another build off the top of my head for fun... and if I have the brain to connect the skills together with the gear affixes I wanna use well enough the build ALWAYS WORKS... I don't need someone online to tell me what the "meta crap" is...

Also, Last Epoch is THE ONLY ARPG that does SSF perfectly... I play SSF always and the game is sooooo good on SSF with the circle of fortune... yes you get a ton of useless crap but you also get a ton of good loot for your build... and yes, I play to progress, not to have the game tell me to "git gud or you know... use your wallet to buy crap online!!!"

Anyway... Last Epoch deserves at least 10 times the player base it currently has... such a good and fair game that is FUN!!! First time I played the Runemaster class my mind exploded with how unique and advanced the idea for this class was...

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ShiyoKozuki#4168 wrote:

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GeoFruck#1167 wrote:

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Gang5ter15#1071 wrote:

What are you even saying. It does not make any sense.
Well for some it might do, but its mostly nonsense. ARPGs are mostly like MMORPGs and those have loots and drop RNG since they were created. Otherwise the game would be boring really fast. People need something to strife for otherwise a game would not be successfull. From Archeage to WOW to Black Desert to New World. Every game like this has RNG on loot. That gives the core Playerbase of a game something to do. You wanna give different Players different things to do. Some Players search for the perfect roll on Items. Some players wanna get the richest through trade. Some just want PvP. Others might only like the story and others a challenge.

A game is more than just a casino simulator. Some person might actually just play through the Campaign in Path of Exile 2 and enjoy it. Other peoples enjoy the Endgame the most and finding the equipment and getting stronger.
Others might just want to trade and craft. Others want to create new broken builds. Other might want to level every class to level 100.

You reduce a game to a single thing which you simply cant do.

No, it's not a real ARPG, it just looks like one. I could break it down for you, but that would also probably be nonsense to you. I'm not surprised that this content seems like nonsense to you, that's what happens when you get brainwashed.

Here's how the game goes, according to the design. Lack of decent, progress-allowing drops and meaningful crafting pushes you to the crappy trade solution (or RMT, which GGG does not seem to mind for some reason), crappy trade will make some realize they can get OP with some gear, get OP gear and cruise through game, rinse and repeat. No challenge, just zooming. Along the way, a player starts wondering how they should build, looks up latest OP builds, adjust character, continues zooming. Now that they know how to play the game, just get to end game, 0-1 button delete build and watch all the cool pixels drop. Casino simulator, now they're a gambling addict and don't even know it. They THINK they are playing an ARPG, but it's not. This game is not fun if you try to play it AS IF it were an ARPG, as people here are trying to point out.

People can try to do what they want in the game, but if you don't play it how it's designed to be played, you will not get the full experience. You probably know that already. If you like what you do, fine, enjoy, but don't expect normal people to settle for a twisted version of what an ARPG is and demand that this game at least allow that.

If GGG were smart about it, they would tweak it to give a more authentic ARPG game mode, and see which players net them the most money. I would wager that the authentic side would, because there wouldn't be a need for RMT, therefore more direct money from appreciative authentic fans (not addicts). I would even pay a nominal fee for additions/expansions (leagues), and others have said the same.

The elitism is really getting tired, though, constant strawmanning, drama-queening, and acting like they don't know the formula I described above. And, use that along with the esc/logout and other exploits I probably haven't even heard here, since you probably have to be in those special clubs. We see right through you all. You are the ones who don't "understand"...that you are being played.

Gambling addicts will be more money because the streamers who play are that.
The gambling addicts are also more easily manipulated through FOMO supporter packs.

I miss when video games were an art where you made the game you wanted to play and not a business where every decision is based around the revenue arrow going green to make the investor Gods happy.

Streamers are NOT gambling addicts... they are paid to pretend to be addicts to make other people addicts for the benefit of the studios... *wink*

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_rt_#4636 wrote:

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Wo0olfgaNg_#7323 wrote:

Why do you say that?

- Game lacks basic QoL features
- Artificially created time sinks and difficulty
- Almost the whole game is based on lottery/gambling mechanics (so you understand why so many people "love" to grind in this game)
- Basic QoL is gated behind MTX (currency tab)
- Being able to sell items to players is not built into the game and requires MTX (or spamming trade channel, or 3rd party software which I'm not sure whether or not still works)
- Shady tactics to sell map tabs in PoE 2 (waited 2.5 months to release it, so newer players probably had already spent their 300 coins)
- Artificially created necessity for more MTX as the game develops (old special tabs in PoE 1)
- Every new league comes with a set of FOMO-packs (don't miss out, available only this league)

1.) Game is in EA, QoL will be implemented, just not top priority.

2.,3.) Is what Game do.

4.) Currency tab is not required, designate one tab as currency, but not the first (to prevent junk getting in). You can view how much of any one currency item you have by holding CTRL and point at said item (not ready yet in EA)
When almost full, trade lower value to higher one using in-game currency market.

5.) For F2P, you can use forum (shown up in trade just like premium tab, just a bit harder to change item as it'll show up as code when editing the thread) but it's not ready yet in EA. BUT it's EA so anyone who are in aren't F2P and everyone here should have at the very least a single premium tab, so it's not top priority to make forum item_json working in EA.

6.) Shady tactics? I don't think waiting to release something when player count dropped 80% is considered shady, more like hating money.
IF I want to be shady, I'd do it like this: do a stash sale the 2nd week of release, introduce map tab the 3rd week without sale and with everyone out of points to spend.
Think of it this way, anyone who's going to buy it, will buy it, but if you sell it when the player count are high and with no sale, at least some of them will buy it without the discount, the rest will wait for sale.
It's just not ready yet, Map tab in POE1 have difference "title" of said map and each "title" can be any tier while POE2 have just one kind of waystone for each tier of them, they have to decide how to handle this and whether to actually commit to the waystone system or not, not to mention they're away for holiday so there's really nothing they can do but wait and get back to compile data to see if they want to commit or not, which explain why it's so late.

7.) So you want a game where you have just a single kind of thing to collect? Sounds boring if you ask me.
Specialty tab isn't necessary at all if you ask me, I have all of them but I don't even use them, so if anyone ask me should they buy it, I'll tell them no every single time. I always told my chat that you don't need map tab, like all the time, because the game isn't all about mapping, end game is one way to enjoy the game, but not the only way.

8.) That's true, but it's just cosmetic so you don't really need them.

PS. It's true that some QoL are gated behind paywall, but think of it as the retail price for the game, it's like you pay $60 for the game and get all the QoL with some cosmetic for free as a bonus.
PS2. Pardon my bad English, I'm not native.

in poe1 i spent $50 in all the years after 2012 for Stash and a small supporter pack.

in POE2 i spent $30 and that it.


so for $80 Bucks i got a lot of fun and lifetime wasted in almost 13 years.

when GGG sold to China the game got worse and worse......


its a love and hate relationship with this game and GGG