XP loss needs to go (566 hours play time)

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JakkerONAIR#4902 wrote:

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GIBAS1996#4295 wrote:

i feel like you ignored the entire post. In what way did i play wrong when i am one shot by something visibly not present? The XP loss as a check also does not make any reasonable sense when you look at the design itself. What is it actually checking? if you die to something like a bug such as an enemy no longer registering damage taken is that checking to see if you made a mistake by playing the game?

Saying every death is the result from personal mistakes and brute force is just plain incorrect. If the game wants you to learn from actual mistakes the player makes then why take everything away from a single death? Realistically if the XP loss needs to stay then the mapping needs to change to follow. If the player is punished with loss of progression why take away every means of allowing that progression as well? Again i am not against the idea of XP loss on death i just think it needs to be revised in some way.

I completely agree with you about the leveling past 96 is just luxury but i disagree whole heartedly about the claim of "you died due to only your mistakes so you deserved to be punished" You see t all the time with map clipping issues where enemies projectiles are either invisible, clipped in terrain, or far too transparent to see.

The brute force situation also does not apply here because they took the multiple life mapping away which was the actual brute force method. Leveling by playing the game as the class demands i don't believe should be perceived as brute force.

I did not ignore what you said.

If you die because of something invisible or a bug... you died to something NOT INTENDED. It was a BUG. Not every single death is the result of a mistake made by the player, but the amount of bugs isn't so severe that they stop you from progressing.

A "10% exp loss" is not "taking away everything", it's only a 10% exp loss. You keep your progress until this point (level/gear/resources).

The multi-try per map wasn't brute forcing, you already lost your exp and could lose exp again if you get killed.

In PoE2 it's simple - if you clear the map successfully you get the loot and exp as a reward, if you don't you don't. That's it.

Furthermore, most games have "punishment mechanics" in various forms. In some, you lose your gear, you lose your base, in others you literally "GAME OVER", and so on.
PoE2 has two punishments, one is the exp (why I already explained) and the map loss. That's it. Not a single other punishment is in place. You don't lose gear, gold, currency, your character (excluding HC) or whatever, only a bit exp and the "dungeon/map/waystone", but that's a loot-related bumper.

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Solmyr77#1930 wrote:

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JakkerONAIR#4902 wrote:

The "10% exp loss" is in the game for a reason, it's a "check".

If your power is good for what you do - you will earn exp, level up and get stronger.

If your power is not good for what you do - you will die, lose exp and don't level up.

This is soo easy to disprove:

You can fly through t15s with a death every 2 hours at lvl80 and gain levels. Take the same char at lvl 95 and you don't lvl anymore.

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Solmyr77#1930 wrote:

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JakkerONAIR#4902 wrote:

The "10% exp loss" is in the game for a reason, it's a "check".

If your power is good for what you do - you will earn exp, level up and get stronger.

If your power is not good for what you do - you will die, lose exp and don't level up.

This is soo easy to disprove:

You can fly through t15s with a death every 2 hours at lvl80 and gain levels. Take the same char at lvl 95 and you don't lvl anymore.

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GIBAS1996#4295 wrote:

In terms of the waystone/events loss on death that is not really just a loot only bumper. Your are in some cases forced to replay a extremely worse version of the map. IF that needs to be then so be it but the fact you cannot remodify those map nodes with towers is just unnecessary. They can lose all on the nodes but you should be able to reforge that node. That is what i meant by taking all means of gaining back that progression. I suppose i am failing to explain my full train of thought so i apologize on the confusion on how i am explaining things

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JakkerONAIR#4902 wrote:

The "10% exp loss" is in the game for a reason, it's a "check".

This prevents you from brute forcing things.

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Yoakar#8952 wrote:

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JakkerONAIR#4902 wrote:

The "10% exp loss" is in the game for a reason, it's a "check".

This prevents you from brute forcing things.

what does it check if you already beat all the content in the game and you almost never die unless the game bugs? also its a completely unnecessary check when gear is basically the only requirement to progressing.

and with that said you wont brute force anything with out good gear, a few levels will make zero difference. so no exp loss does not prevent players from brute forcing the game, which is why during the campaign players buy/farm better gear instead of grinding levels.

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GIBAS1996#4295 wrote:

Yes I know i know this topic triggers a lot of you but hear me out. In the games current state XP loss adds no value to the game.

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JakkerONAIR#4902 wrote:

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GIBAS1996#4295 wrote:

In terms of the waystone/events loss on death that is not really just a loot only bumper. Your are in some cases forced to replay a extremely worse version of the map. IF that needs to be then so be it but the fact you cannot remodify those map nodes with towers is just unnecessary. They can lose all on the nodes but you should be able to reforge that node. That is what i meant by taking all means of gaining back that progression. I suppose i am failing to explain my full train of thought so i apologize on the confusion on how i am explaining things

I put a solution to that problem already in my last "feedback post", in short, besides other token with various uses we would get a token that allows us to skip a node. In case you "failed" (bug or skill issue doesn't matter) you would progress without the need to run an empty map.