Does GGG not want Casuals to Ascend?

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ThreeBelowZero#2968 wrote:

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ShauChen#7494 wrote:

I finished my accension...at level 90 :) Keep with it, keep re-investing in better gear, consider following a decent build guide to help in getting a synergized build etc. For the tornados be sure to have speed 30+ boots and when they come out stop attacking and just avoid for that phase by running in circles around the arena. Only took me about 4-5 tries and got thru the full 10 run trial+trialmaster.

You won't scape from the tornado just with MS. You either blink or have luck with the afflictions applied to you until that point.
Both trials, just like everything in the game, is based on luck. In the case of the trials is the luck of the afflictions. This game is a casino, no matter how you look at it.

You can easily escape with just movement speed boots.
I complete 10 trials chaos runs i around 15-20 minute with only 25/30% movement speed boots, no movement skill. And I haven't failed a run in my last 30+ runs, so ehm, come again?

Sure in the very beginning you perhaps pick afflictions in chaos that are run ending, because you'll end up being hit by it, but you learn and adapt, and then you know what not to pick and it becomes so much easier.

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Redrum#1498 wrote:

I've tried to do trials 5-6 multiple times on both spark sorc & minion witch characters. Mostly Sekhemas, but have run Chaos as well (f' that bird and tornadoes!). Fail every time. EVERY TIME. Gauntlet is the worst with all those traps and flames to quickly get your honor to zero. Between gauntlet and the frigging RNG 'ailments' they toss on top...it's like auto fail for me.

I know we won't see them, but I'd love to see the stats of trial fails & passes by class, level, and dps.

I refuse to pay 1 DIV to get carried! It's like the trials are designed to make the top players rich. I've only gotten 3 DIVs total with over 400-hrs of gameplay (several alts). I can't afford to buy stuff for 6-link or gem quality (which every content creator assumes everyone has!). Everyone with a +2 spell boost thinks that equipment/armor/boots, yea that'll be between 1-50 DIV. Ridiculous the game has already lost control of the economy.

While I enjoy the gameplay in-general, and have made it to tier 9 maps so far. The graphics are fantastic -- but those things only go so far when the game becomes more frustrating than it's worth, and the equipment/ascension gating so harsh.

I'm out until basic gearing is affordable and ascension trials are reasonable. That may be never.

First of, if you have the dmg (I'm assuming you don't) chaos trial is very very easy. You can quite easily outrun the tornadoes, but you gotta stop attacking when they appear.
Now since you seem to try and run sekhemas the most, I'll add info about that one mostly. Gauntlet rooms takes longer to run through yes (however if you get hit by flames or spikes, no offence but that's on you) but luckily it's quite easy (when you can see ahead) to skip gauntlet rooms completely and only take the other rooms - I do that myself because I hate the length and tediousness of gauntlet rooms.
Yes, there are afflictions that are complete run ending. But luckily you can avoid them, and you don't get a random one, unless you specifically decide to click something that gives you a random one. So don't take the bait(!) unless you're willing to get a detrimental one for your build. It really needs to be "this run is dead anyway if I don't heal and get this random affliction with it" kinda of a thing. Another thing, honor resistance, remember that 3 floor sekhemas drop rather high level of relics which can have a lot of honor resistance, honor total, maximum defences, increased maximum life etc.. So don't see a failed run as a complete failure but look into the relics that you got - treat it like gearing your character but with the exception that the items only drops in there.

I'll carry the first 3 floors for free but my dps isn't high enough to carry reliably on the 4th floor.

Don't pay the carry's a div that's just too much, Even 10exa would probably be suitable for a 4th floor carry its genuinely not that hard to get there if you have the dps which is entirely my issue, i can solo it but its too slow with a group for now so i only carry to 3rd floor with ???? no promises on final boss.

If someone's super desperate to ascend i guess send me a PM


Additionally there are some builds that are better than others perhaps even for your specific builds, look into relics and what bonuses would synergize well with your playstyle, Personally i run 18 extra vendor choices with a ton of honor resistance.

My build has its upsides but also downsides, 18 extra choices means i get the boons i want quickly and a great shot at some major boons however i could use some of that relic space on much needed buffs as well, 6 extra choices would still be a huge boost and once you buy up a few boons the rest of the shop becomes (more relics) so its kind of a quickly depreciating gain.

At the same time the faster you get the (50% reduced merchant prices) the faster you stack up in the sekimas on my build so its all in what you're willing to gamble with, i prefer to gamble less so i went with a ton of choices.

The only issue is the fourth ascendancy, there shouldn't be this much RNG involved, chaos trial being gated behind fragments is silly, and the hourglass phase in sekhema is BS and complete gamble as to whether your attempt is bricked based off whether you get the movespeed boon, globes might fall nicely or they might be completely whack, if "logging out" is the only agency a player has at that point then the mechanic is bad

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ThreeBelowZero#2968 wrote:

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ShauChen#7494 wrote:

I finished my accension...at level 90 :) Keep with it, keep re-investing in better gear, consider following a decent build guide to help in getting a synergized build etc. For the tornados be sure to have speed 30+ boots and when they come out stop attacking and just avoid for that phase by running in circles around the arena. Only took me about 4-5 tries and got thru the full 10 run trial+trialmaster.

You won't scape from the tornado just with MS. You either blink or have luck with the afflictions applied to you until that point.
Both trials, just like everything in the game, is based on luck. In the case of the trials is the luck of the afflictions. This game is a casino, no matter how you look at it.

You can easily see when he's about to cast the tornado and just run to the other side. I've done it with 0% movement speed on a melee character

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omendancer#1232 wrote:

The whole game is gated behind level blocks and it's rubbish. I've given up on ascendancy

Why so many old poe players struggle so much lmao

i was pretty annoyed at the ascendancy system for getting points 5+6 and 7+8 at first, but then someone pointed something out in a thread and it changed my mind.



when they add the 3rd way to ascend they will add another 'easy' quest version of that mechanic in the campaign like the firs time you do chaos and sek, which are both very doable encounters.

this means we will easily get all the points up to the last 7+8 trial, which we will have the option of 3 different systems to use.



i think the person was right, its just not a finished system and itll probably be fine when its actually all put together?




i still dont thnk sek is a good choice for a mechanic, but if the 3rd option is a good universal option then its whatever, im fine with it.




they did promise if we didnt like one mechanic we could ascend using just the one we did like. i dont think theyve done that? there isnt really an appropriate normal, cruel, merc, uber progression to be had on each one individually. its a mess tbh but when you look at it and realise its not finished as a system? sure, i guess?

this isnt 'it' and im saving my judgements until we have THE actual system in the game and i can really see what it is.

You could say that about everything though, feedback can only be given for game in its current state, especially without any developer response

I've also abandoned all ascendancy attempts especially on Trial of Sekhuma. It's far too punishing to slow melee builds that aren't strafing everywhere and avoiding melee damage from 20yds away. The honor system is stupid and antithetical to builds that intend to take damage or attack slower. There is no reason for it exist. We spec into tank systems and do away with them entirely with this artificial health. I'll level alts and wait for an update. I refuse to pay for a carry on principle. Not another dime until the sadist behind this is stopped. If I hear from another Ranger or sorc 2easy gitgud I'll have a conniption.

I agree, that something is off with ascendency. Just doesnt feel right.