"If I'd Asked People What They Wanted, They Would've Said Faster Horses."

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Jokke1989#7206 wrote:

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1453R#7804 wrote:

How much 'honest and measured' feedback have you
Is his feedback any less valid than all the PoE1 Supervets shrieking and shrieking and shrieking for their Faster Horse?

Are their feedback less valid than his?
Sounds a bit like a "you think you do, but you don't" moment
Both providing feedback
And let me tell you, the whining is coming from all sides
I think I see more whining about "PoE1 Supervets shrieking" than actual "PoE1 Supervets shrieking"

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1453R#7804 wrote:

A quote famously (if apocryphally) attributed to Henry Ford concerning his invention of the automobile. The automobile, of course, is an invention that changed the world so dramatically its impact cannot be overstated, and one of those inventions anyone with the Internet access and bank account required to complain about POE2 on this forum likely cannot imagine living without.

It's held to be one of the most important lessons in product innovation ever learned, and is often taught as part of "Business 101' style courses. Hell, it's the sort of saying you can buy in framed Pithy Motivational Poster form and hang on your office wall. It speaks to the idea that people often have no conception of how a paradigm shift in a given industry/field could happen and cannot readily imagine a world which does not work largely the same way it's always worked for them.

Why is it important to PoE2?

Because y'all are asking for faster horses.

This feedback forum is inundated with an endless tsunami flood of people demanding that PoE2 be completely burned down and remade as nothing but a duplicate clone of PoE1. People like the graphics, but they want those graphics attached to the skeleton of their existing game. Virtually every complaint I've seen on this board boils down to "I liked this better in PoE1, make it work like PoE1 instead." People on this board - especially PoE1 Supervets - can only really conceive of an ARPG working one specific way. After all, PoE1 has worked that way since the age of sail and it's still going, so why would anyone think it needs changing? Any other way an ARPG could work just...doesn't register with them.

The introduction of the automobile was not without its detractors as well. People hated them. They were loud, they smelled funny, nobody knew how to maintain or repair them except specially trained folks nobody knew how to contact - you had to bring your busted car back to the factory somehow, instead of just getting a vet to ride out and check on your horse. People knew how to take care of horses. People knew how to deal with horses in their day-to-day. People were attached to their horses, and had no intention of replacing their beloved hooved companion with a loud, clanking soulless wheeled thingamajobber that ran on burning stinkjuice. People even thought that automobiles might kill people from speed alone - they thought the human body couldn't tolerate going much above thirty miles an hour without something failing from the speed and the person dying.

Fast forward 'bout a hundred and thirty years, aaaaaand...well.

It's time to stop asking for faster horses. Let's see how PoE2 shakes out as PoE2, and not just a lame faster-horse version of PoE1. Who knows - by this time five years from now, maybe we'll all look back on all these strident, nasty demands to make pOE2 Just Exactly Like POE1 But Prettier and laugh over how naive we all were.

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1453R#7804 wrote:

How much 'honest and measured' feedback have you seen? because for every one piece of "honest and measured feedback" I've seen on this board, I've seen seven hundred whinging assholes demanding all kinds of crap that has no damn place in this game.

It's funny - my brother's deep into endgame (I am not because I have to work a full-time job and also play multiple characters), and he's consistently said his biggest complaints are that the game is too much like PoE1. His level 85+ Warrior slaughters packs with a single click, but despite having excellent defenses he gets obliterated by half the endgame effects out there. He wants the endgame to slow down - for players and monsters both to deal less damage, so the skill combo system Grinding Gear's created can come into play. He wants controlling effects to matter more and for attrition to be a bigger deal, with enemies wearing the player down rather than just dropping him with a volley of magical mystical chaos explosions or one dude with an exploding tank-cannon crossbow that pegged a lucky shot from offscreen.

He's blasting through the endgame the way all the screaming yaybos in this forum insist they want to be able to do and he hates it. He wants the feeling from running the campaign back, where he was actually fighting the demon hordes of Wraeclast. Trading blows, imposing control effects while denying enemies theirs, using tactics and positioning to set up heavy payoffs. Not just "click Sunder, see if my stun threshold lasts until the Sunder goes off and kills everything on the screen."

Is his feedback any less valid than all the PoE1 Supervets shrieking and shrieking and shrieking for their Faster Horse?

PoE2 is at its absolute best in campaign play when it's most differentiated from PoE1, and I'm honestly despairing for my other friends all trying and really enjoying the game in the early Acts. When they hit the endgame Atlas Delve, are they gonna bounce again the same way they bounced off PoE1? It's one thing to play the first game for an hour or two, say "this sucks" and bounce. it's entirely another to have an awesome time during the campaign, spend your twenty or thirty or whatever-ty hours getting to Endgame, only for the Endgame to be PoE1 and say "well...this sucks again. Fuck" and lose the awesome thing you were having fun with.