Hard crashing PC locks up

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cursorTarget#1174 wrote:

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Delay#5504 wrote:

What are your qualifications sir to make a statement that modern computers are supposed to run/work at 100% load? The truth is It can run a load at 100% but not at prolonged times, and im willing to bet millions of dollars against you just to prove your statements wrong.

Okay. Show me the proof of your words referencing to the official datasheets limiting the using of CPU on the certain periods of specific load. What is considered "prolonged times" and what is not? I accept only references to the hardware manufactures like Intel, AMD, your motherboard manufacturer, PSU manufacturer etc. Just show me these documents.

PS All my home PCs capable to run at 100% load for weeks. The servers and workstations even more - for months without reboot.

Your the one mouthing off, about PC Specs and wild assumptions based of your views. Why is the burden of proof on me?

Your the one basically saying a COMPUTER SHOULD AND ALWAYS RUN AT 100%.
Re-read your statements. Understand them, then come post again.

Prolonged times at nature can mean a numerous number of things, and that specifically fits with always running at 100%. DO WE EVEN SPEAK THE SAME LANGUAGE?

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I accept only references to the hardware manufactures like Intel, AMD, your motherboard manufacturer, PSU manufacturer etc. Just show me these documents.

And this is to my point. Your mouthing off SPECS that you read online and haven't tested yourself. SO THEN AGAIN WHAT ARE YOUR QUALIFICATIONS to tell the average people that you are right.

Even in academics before something is published it is tested and scrutinized.
So please stop passing your words off as fact if you yourself haven't bothered to test these specs on your own.

Then again your last statement "I HAVE 3 COMPUTERS THAT RUN AT 100%" who believes that bullshit? in my case I OWN A NASA SUPER COMPUTER AND POE2 STILL CRASHES SEE WHAT I DID THERE?

YOU WANT TO MOUTH OFF WITH PEOPLE POSTING ACTUAL SPECS AND PROOF BUT YOU YOURSELF HAVEN't POSTED ANY

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cursorTarget#1174 wrote:

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Delay#5504 wrote:

What are your qualifications sir to make a statement that modern computers are supposed to run/work at 100% load? The truth is It can run a load at 100% but not at prolonged times, and im willing to bet millions of dollars against you just to prove your statements wrong.

Okay. Show me the proof of your words referencing to the official datasheets limiting the using of CPU on the certain periods of specific load. What is considered "prolonged times" and what is not? I accept only references to the hardware manufactures like Intel, AMD, your motherboard manufacturer, PSU manufacturer etc. Just show me these documents.

PS All my home PCs capable to run at 100% load for weeks. The servers and workstations even more - for months without reboot.

AND YOU KNOW WHAT. LETS SETTLE THIS. WHERE ARE YOU FROM PM ME YOUR CONTACT DETAILS

I'll FLY YOU OUT HERE, ALL EXPENSES PAID. I'll SHOW YOU MY SUPER COMPUTERS.
ON TOP OF THAT LETS RECORD A VIDEO AND POST IT ON THIS THREAD. SO YOU CAN tell me how poor i am, and how stupid my setups are like with what you've been doing this whole time in this thread to numerous people and how i like others deserve the pain We are suffering for even attempting to play this game with our PC Setups.

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Delay#5504 wrote:

Your the one basically saying a COMPUTER SHOULD AND ALWAYS RUN AT 100%.
Re-read your statements. Understand them, then come post again.

I suppose reading is not your strong side. Yaah. Definitely. I never told that.

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Delay#5504 wrote:

Prolonged times at nature can mean a numerous number of things, and that specifically fits with always running at 100%. DO WE EVEN SPEAK THE SAME LANGUAGE?

Show me the official datasheets with the device explotation envelope. Everything else is your personal assumption and guess. Nothing more.

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Delay#5504 wrote:

And this is to my point. Your mouthing off SPECS that you read online and haven't tested yourself. SO THEN AGAIN WHAT ARE YOUR QUALIFICATIONS to tell the average people that you are right.

C/C++/RUST/ZIG Software Engineer, time critical systems (including KMS development). AMTSS. Working on HFT order processing and new generation data aggregators, providing ECN end-to-end interface for the enterprise users. Began my career at 1999. Before that started from ASM (TASM / MASM for i80286), it was my very first serious language.

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Delay#5504 wrote:

Then again your last statement "I HAVE 3 COMPUTERS THAT RUN AT 100%" who believes that bullshit? in my case I OWN A NASA SUPER COMPUTER AND POE2 STILL CRASHES SEE WHAT I DID THERE?

Total bs. The CPU powerr has nothing to the load. You're completely out of touch. If your rig can't run something at 100% load, it's your fault. You have bought shit hardware, so blame yourself for buying trash. I bet you never run stress tests on your devices ever to ensure it's properly working.

And yes sure, just another "joe" blaming GGG for the pretty complex and diffcult to fix issue.

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cursorTarget#1174 wrote:

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Delay#5504 wrote:

Your the one basically saying a COMPUTER SHOULD AND ALWAYS RUN AT 100%.
Re-read your statements. Understand them, then come post again.

I suppose reading is not your strong side. Yaah. Definitely. I never told that.

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Delay#5504 wrote:

Prolonged times at nature can mean a numerous number of things, and that specifically fits with always running at 100%. DO WE EVEN SPEAK THE SAME LANGUAGE?

Show me the official datasheets with the device explotation envelope. Everything else is your personal assumption and guess. Nothing more.

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Delay#5504 wrote:

And this is to my point. Your mouthing off SPECS that you read online and haven't tested yourself. SO THEN AGAIN WHAT ARE YOUR QUALIFICATIONS to tell the average people that you are right.

C/C++/RUST/ZIG Software Engineer, time critical systems (including KMS development). AMTSS. Working on HFT order processing and new generation data aggregators, providing ECN end-to-end interface for the enterprise users. Began my career at 1999. Before that started from ASM (TASM / MASM for i80286), it was my very first serious language.

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Delay#5504 wrote:

Then again your last statement "I HAVE 3 COMPUTERS THAT RUN AT 100%" who believes that bullshit? in my case I OWN A NASA SUPER COMPUTER AND POE2 STILL CRASHES SEE WHAT I DID THERE?

Total bs. The CPU powerr has nothing to the load. You're completely out of touch. If your rig can't run something at 100% load, it's your fault. You have bought shit hardware, so blame yourself for buying trash. I bet you never run stress tests on your devices ever to ensure it's properly working.

And yes sure, just another "joe" blaming GGG for the pretty complex and diffcult to fix issue.

Defelction that's all you can do at this point.
CASE AND POINT, You've literally argued with alot of people on this thread.

Your the one that needs to show official data sheets not me. Your trying to tell people that their PC Setups are crap because of manufacturer problems, then prove it. Show me their exact stats?

At the end of the day keep your just mouthing off with the limited knowledge you have and i'm calling you out. Prove that your not just saying BS show me an actual root cause analysis based of your assumptions

and im telling you i'll fly you out right now. PROVE YOURSELF

By the way ive been in the hardware software industry since the 1980's. Show me your actual qualifications give me your linked in.

only reason for a CPU to hang would be faulty kernel drivers be it GPU or something else, or a bad OC in regards to RAM corrupting kernel space.

sure, windows could be at fault but i seriously doubt they'd not patch such an issue asap, memtest86 for 10 min - if no issue, go for a cpu stresstest or benchmark and let that run for another 10... if not, gotta be software and not HW.

I think this thread is kind of going off topic...

Anyhow update for the devs. 4 days now no lockups using the temporary fix: https://github.com/Kapps/PoEUncrasher and having turned engine multithread back on ig.

Make sure to buy the dev a beer, hopeing we get an update today before the holiday breaks.

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Cainrith#2807 wrote:

Like I said. I do not care about normal bugs, or even normal crashes. Those are normal. But this is not a normal crash, this one takes out the whole OS with it. So I expect further communication from a professional company.

I agreed, it's pretty annoying. Especially if the company is silent. They could make short statement that they don't have resources to fix or at least somehow mitigate the problem.

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Cainrith#2807 wrote:

"As is" software or "user accepts everything related to that product state" does not cover this type of event where the faulty software has a problem that goes beyond typical expectations for software defects and cause possible hardware damage. Courts would probably decide that such risks exceed the reasonable scope. Both in USA and EU there are laws that specify unreasonable risks, which crashes due to software actually count as.

In this case the users must prove the damage inflicted to their hardware was caused by GGG's software, not anything else. Also they should ask hardware developers why their hardware was damaged from by the user mode process? why did they let this happen? And many other questions, not related to GGG's responsibility directly.

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Cainrith#2807 wrote:

My focus is on the normal specifications and normal uses. Even if one were to follow the specifications to a T, this type of incomplete shutdown is essentially a dice roll with a thousand faced dice.

I know the probabilities are low. I just don't like how GGG plays dead.

Sure, there is a slight probability that your hardware will fail even if it meets all internal manufacturing requirements and pass all internal tests. But in this case I will sue my vendor. 4090 with VHPWR is a good example when bad designed connector melt down. Who was responsible for that? Videogame which maye stress GPU up to 100% or NVIDIA with their bad decision? Average "joe" will blame videogame as usual. I am not stating, the sudden resetting power is not stressful, In this çase I'm agreed with you. But my point is that if your component failed because of user interaction (like pressing Reset button), only hardware developers are responsible for the damage. We're not in 90's when Chernobyl could damage your HDD or burn pixels on your old CGA monitor.

The thing that's pissing me off about this whole thing is,
we are not saying GGG is BAD.

These are consumers saying there is a problem, and the community running defense
are so dimwitted trying to pass of the blame to the consumer when literally GGG's main goal is to try and cater to this consumer.

Why is it so hard to understand for the ones running defense.

1. That "MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS" is there for a reason.
2. EA means with Software Bugs. This means there are bugs within the Software and if it affects your hardware at this point this should be addressed not shamed.
3. EA means if someone is struggling to run/play the game despite having the hardware qualifications or more, the community shouldn't tell these people that they're at fault?

Like literally i can tell some of the people doing that have no freaking idea how businesses work.

That is something that should be reported and should not be shamed because the main goal of releasing EA is to gather data to ensure a better experience to the general public.

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Delay#5504 wrote:

Defelction that's all you can do at this point.
CASE AND POINT, You've literally argued with alot of people on this thread.

Your the one that needs to show official data sheets not me. Your trying to tell people that their PC Setups are crap because of manufacturer problems, then prove it. Show me their exact stats?

At the end of the day keep your just mouthing off with the limited knowledge you have and i'm calling you out. Prove that your not just saying BS show me an actual root cause analysis based of your assumptions

and im telling you i'll fly you out right now. PROVE YOURSELF

By the way ive been in the hardware software industry since the 1980's. Show me your actual qualifications give me your linked in.

So you were in the industry and think if you referring to "A LOT OF PEOPLE" which are NOT developers is a good argument? Seriously. I asked to show me official limitations of hardware. I want to see the limit, how much time I can run my CPU at 100% load? Or 90% Or maybe 91%. One minute or one hour? Or maybe one month? You failed. TWICE. The dude from industry and doesn't know how the things are working. Okay.

Here is datasheet for Intel® Core™ Ultra 200S Series 2 Processors.
Volume 1 and Volume 2. And Update.

On this page you can find Series 1 dox. And other gens.

So where's your proof? Each component which MET the industry standard has such document.

Yea, it is a little frustrating trying to read posts and seeing a lot of them saying the problems doesn't exist or invalidate others who have it because they do not experience it themselves.

Not saying GGG is bad but it is a little concerning that there isn't more communication to at least alleviate people's concerns. Now to add that apparently they are all in a month long vacation from what I've read (not sure if true. I hope it isn't).

Bugs are definitely expected since it's early access but I don't have to bend over backwards to try to play a product I paid early access for especially when most of the official response has been lacking. I just want to play my game T.T