Hard crashing PC locks up

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Ashaya2#7109 wrote:

It's not the same crash.

You're so right guy, the full system-wide crash from the first game couldn't possibly be the same full system-wide crash from the sequel. I'm sure they'll totally have this wrapped up within the next 10 years.

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69oVerkill69#4406 wrote:

I can only encourage you to install the optional update ‘KB5048162’!

This fixes the following bug:

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.NET Runtime

- Fixes a problem where in rare cases an infinite loop could occur when a thread switches clR for the first time.

source: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/november-21-2024-kb5048162-cumulative-update-preview-for-net-framework-3-5-and-4-8-1-for-windows-11-version-24h2-de579ec6-97da-4368-b966-8ba3abda67a8

No idea what this means, but what is Chat GPT for?

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Error during the Transition to the CLR

The issue described in KB5048162 occurred when a thread transitioned for the first time from another context (e.g., native code or unmanaged memory) into the Common Language Runtime (CLR). In the case of a game, this could happen:

At the start of the game: When initialising components or subsystems.
While loading specific content or game mechanics: For example, shader data, assets, or other resources being processed.
During the execution of scripts: Particularly if they are based on .NET (e.g., C# scripting or managed plugins).
If this bug occurs, the game could freeze, hang, or, in rare cases, even crash.

I'm not the ultimate nerd, but that sounds plausible to me.

Without the update, the game freezes within 10 loading screens for me. With the update, I've played through two acts and not once has my PC frozen.

Please can someone seriously test this? This can't be a coincidence in my case.

Edit: Since this is apparently not the whole solution, i want to add:

Spec:

i7 11700K
RTX 4070 (566.36)
newest Chipset and BIOS Drivers
running in fullscreen window DX12

I've read a lot about various topics these days and I've done these things as well:

1. disabled VBS (Virtualization-Based Security): Generally recommended for gaming. Check with ‘Win + R’ -> ‘msinfo32’, almost at the bottom.

2. deactivated HAGS (Hardware Accelerated Graphics Scheduling) in Windows.

3. updated C++ redistributables to version 14.42.34433.0

Perhaps you should test the points from bottom to top. As I said, I have changed a lot and can no longer reset everything to check it step by step. There is also a chance that it will freeze again. But two acts have enough loading screens, so plenty of possibilities....

.NET has literally nothing to the game. Stop spreading misinformation.

To anyone who is confused about the Windows 11 24H2 crashes:

That particular error Ubisoft and other games faced was that Windows' "New Feature" was blocking the program's access to system resources, therefore crashing the program but never crashing the PC itself.

The problem PoE2 has is that program is hogging all available system resources due improper usage of system APIs, therefore crashing the program AND the PC itself. (Technically it crashes the OS because OS can no longer get the resources it has to in order to function properly)

I have the exact same problem as most of us here. Full freeze on loading screens when changing zones, forcing me to hard reset my PC via power button. I have tried almost every single „fix“ i have encountered on the web since launchday - nothing has worked for me.

I have tried:

Changing all graphics settings ingame.. lowering, raising, enabeling, disabeling every option
Dx11, Vulkan, Dx12
Capping FPS to 60, 120, 144
Increasing Shader Cache Size in Nvidia settings to 10GB and 100GB
Messing with Vsync in Nvidia control panel
BSD software (-2%, -3%, -5%…)
Putting POE 2 on the Windows Defender Ignore List
Update BIOS, Chipset driver, Audio Driver, Lan Driver, GPU Driver
Rollback to older GPU driver
Those strange Audio device and ingame Chat „fixes“
Clean Windows ReInstall to 23H2
Unplugging my secondary Monitor
Reapplying Thermalpaste, setting aggressive fan curves
Disabeling XMP
This CPU affinity core 0 and 1 thing (sorry im a noob)
Uninstalling unnecessary Software (logitech ghub, wallpaper engine, rgb fusion etc..)
Undervolting CPU
Kissing my PC, giving it compliments
And surely a ton of other things i have already forgotten

The ONLY thing working for me is disabling Multithreading, which gives me an absolutely terrible gaming experience at 30-40 fps… so thats not really a workaround either.

It is not acceptable, that this problem is not adressed more forcefully. Acknowledging „there might be a problem for some people“ and now we‘re off for christmas holidays is beyond everything I would have ever expected from GGG.

I love the game, but this shit is literally grinding my gears GGG.

X570 gigabyte aorus elite
Ryzen 5600X
RTX 3080
32 gb compatible RAM
23H2 and now 24H2 again

To anyone who is confused about .NET infinite loop and this game's "infinite loop":

"Fixes a problem where in rare cases an infinite loop could occur when a thread switches clR for the first time."

The first time a thread switches to the CLR in an application would occur when a thread executes managed code for the first time. For a game this is when you launch it.

This is not the case for PoE2.

We do not know the part where the PoE2 starts its improper use of system APIs, nor do we know why it hogs all available resources.

peepeepoo#1611 theorized how the loop in PoE2 happens, an explanation that seems plausible but we cannot know if it's true due to not having access to the game's code:

"This is an issue with their async thread code resulting in memory violations. It causes an infinite loop trying to read an invalid pointer when loading new levels, which never completes so just eats performance. The reason why disabling some CPU cores works to not cause a complete crash is because processes do not all share the same threads on those cores. "

If i get enought PC hard lockups, will this damage the CPU overtime?

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Ali_S#0148 wrote:

If i get enought PC hard lockups, will this damage the CPU overtime?

Yes.

Can anyone guide me through where to download 23h2 windows version? I don't know what else to try at this point.

Is GGG already on Christmas vacation or are they still working till the end of the week ?

I have the best water cooled gaming pc money can buy and I am still crashing. My temps in game are low cpu at 55C in game, during loading spikes to 75C for a sec, gpu stays very cool at 50-55C. I play @4k Native 120fps smooth no fps drops, max settings. Crashing during loading screens and sometimes crash when I stay to long in inventory/stash tab.

9800x3d
X870e Taichi
Rtx 4090
64gb ddr5 ram
Nvme SSD gen4
Windows 11 pro

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NovaForceX#1927 wrote:

Can anyone guide me through where to download 23h2 windows version? I don't know what else to try at this point.

Doesn‘t work either unfortunately