Powercreep

I remember some time - not long ago- where a Character was considered OP when having 30 Million DPS. And a decent amount of Ehp.

Well this time is over since last league and even more this League.

I really hope you bring Characters back to earth and especially remove or nerf Ralakesh Impatience boots and all other Boots and Belts which have the wording "Count as having maximum Charges"
And Svallin Tower Shield of course.

If you dont have a Character this league with 50 Million DPS and 400000 Ehp you are doing something wrong.

All content is just deleted without any Effort.

The change starts with you. Why don't you stop using Ralakesh's Impatience? None of the characters I made this league use the boots because I dislike the item.

Same with the shield really.

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derhealman wrote:

I remember some time - not long ago- where a Character was considered OP when having 30 Million DPS. And a decent amount of Ehp.

Well this time is over since last league and even more this League.

I really hope you bring Characters back to earth and especially remove or nerf Ralakesh Impatience boots and all other Boots and Belts which have the wording "Count as having maximum Charges"
And Svallin Tower Shield of course.

If you dont have a Character this league with 50 Million DPS and 400000 Ehp you are doing something wrong.

All content is just deleted without any Effort.

As far as I'm concerned svalinn is a nice item but as you said it is ehp and not max hit so it's not very relevant. It's easy to get 1m ehp if you have 90 res and 90 block you just multiply your hp by 100 but block is not mitigation and it can fail to block hits that would kill you. 400K max hit is actually 40K hp with 90 res, its alot different from a 4K life build with 90% block chance that has 400K ehp but 40K max hit for ele.

I think ralakesh are fine, they are a t0 unique about as powerful as mageblood or nimis damage and defense wise. They have already been adjusted a few times past leagues so GGG is probably fine with their current state by now.

And as Mark said "balancing is hard man", from what I've seen he's started to crack down on stupid damage scaling mechanics like brands snapshotting with archmage, indigon and arcane cloak or steeve's deep delve build from last league and I hope to see more in the future.

the further back you go, the less dps was required.

i remember people being mind blown when they could get 600k dps.

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exsea wrote:

the further back you go, the less dps was required.

i remember people being mind blown when they could get 600k dps.

Yea thats true, but the content that we are facing also got alot harder with t17 maps and uber bosses.
At least I agree with the logic of GGG to nerf the top skills instead of buffing the bottom ones, but at the same time not all builds should be doing the same dps. I personally don't think uber boss fights should only last a few seconds with builds being able to pretty much instakill or nuke them down in a few seconds even through the initial damage reduction they added to prevent this.
On the other hand, a build with lazy playstyle shouldn't necessarily do as much damage as a build that uses many skill rotations and player inputs as its more active gameplay and should feel rewarding otherwise few people would do it.

A character is OP with 30 million DPS

The issue is SC has become about joyriding, and nobody wants to joyride in something "sufficient" they want to joyride in something bright red that strips skin off your face with its acceleration.

Easiest solution? Don't participate, I agree with everything you are saying OP but my solution is to just not play overly busted shit because it kills my enjoyment. Others in here have suggested this too - I realise it feels contrived but you quickly get used to it.

If you are hoping GGG will fix it they won't, its become PoE1s identity it is a joyriding game and where many players derive their enjoyment from.

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demon7310 wrote:

And as Mark said "balancing is hard man", from what I've seen he's started to crack down on stupid damage scaling mechanics like brands snapshotting with archmage...

Also completely disagree with this, they made Archmage not work on everything it was fun for it to work on, then made it effected by reduced cost so you can just run it on every spell anyway and it didn't matter if you snapshot in comparison. Archmage Brands, Orb effects etc were fun and not particularly strong we just lost build usage for nothing. Balance is hard Mark is right but they also don't take the low hanging fruit very often.

Slight disagree here. 30 mio or even 50 mio is not OP. It is when you pretend that uber content does not exist and limit yourself to pinnacle level stuff.

If you actually engage with uber content then i'd consider that amount of dps as "just right". You won't oneshot/instakill stuff but you don't have 30 minute fights either.

Actual "OP" starts at around 10 times that number.

You can play on 5 link if game is too ez for your build.
I can't play on 7 link if game is too hard for my build.

So I say yay for powercreep.

Sure we can do that, but first do heavy across the nerf boards for all incoming trash monster and boss damage, including huge nerfs to their base life amounts. In addition, since these things are related to offense and survival in POE:

- no monster attacks/spells from offscreen
- no on-death effects
- massive optimization improvements to the game engine
- 60-80% reduction in effect of all negative map mods
- a detailed death log, which has been asked for 1000 years

I won't hold my breath on any of this happening, since the mantra of modern Path of Currency Simulator development is "try harder for less rewards and worse performance and more inexplicable BS".

Hey, I can finally play a melee character who does several million DPS, doesn't die to a stiff breeze, and doesn't cost me a life-destroying amount of currency. Is this called "power creep"?

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Baharoth15 wrote:

Slight disagree here. 30 mio or even 50 mio is not OP. It is when you pretend that uber content does not exist and limit yourself to pinnacle level stuff. .

This is kinda making my point Baharoth i'm sorry :p 4 mil feels OP outside of Uber

UEater has what 41 mil life so with 30mil dps you are looking at about a 5 second fight.

Like just what do you guys expect here? This is exactly what i mean about SC being about joyriding you are talking DPS values so high I have to do a single mechanic if a boss doesn't have phases/intermission.

On HC if you get a build to between 10-20mil and its defences are solid its an OP build and the goal when we make them, nobody goes for above that specifically because it just gets gratuitous - though obviously if you stay on the same character and keep investing it increases.

I will add the caveat that I mean numerical 30mil dps here which most players never actually get to not the I ticked all the boxes in PoB and pretend I have no ramp version.

Steel takes the piss out of people every league when people turn up and tell him his PoB is shit because he only has 8 mil *rolls eyes*