T17 once again are ruining this league can GGG just discard t17 concept?

This is the internet, what did you expect would happen? Taking this kind of people seriously never goes well.

This stuff does not belong on the forums. I will not be posting what was actually said on the forums as that, quite honestly, violates their code of conduct. If they dont moderate that post though, I absolutely will. Rest assured!


What I will post is the relevant findings from the t17 map that we ran in your hideout with these modifiers:


There appeared to be no problems with surviving the map during this run.
There appears to be what is the actual problem though with "t17" maps though:

Further evidence of them having a lack of understanding of this T17 is another hole already pointed out in their build:




Anyone who actually plays this century of POE does not run negative Chaos res like good ol Echo here. And here's their characters chaos res:

With Alchemist Genius Up:
With ALchemist Genius Not Up:


Fun fact about several of Lycias abilities:
The beam converts 25% to chaos (you will know pain)
The whirling blades convert 25% to chaos
The blades when they dash convert 25% to chaos
The blades when they impact convert 25% to chaos (swift death)

Which you promptly melted to the beam as seen here:



So this entire thing about needing

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Echothesis wrote:

But boss is nearly impossible because of phys oneshots.

Fails to understand what the boss even does in the first place.


I will post what was actually said in conversation if the mods do not moderate that post above.

Omg you got me:) Sorry for not writing "because of phys, ele, and chaos oneshots" when addressing T17 bosses broadly. Who could've thought they can deal different damage types, and the map we went to had a boss with chaos attack, lol.

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Echothesis wrote:

Omg you got me:) Sorry for not writing "because of phys, ele, and chaos oneshots" when addressing T17 bosses broadly. Who could've thought they can deal different damage types, and the map we went to had a boss with chaos attack, lol.

Nope that is not what you meant and you are just lying again.

Much like our conversation and walking back what you say or mean, multiple times in the span of less than a minute, you meant clear as day phys one shots. You have said it multiple times just in this thread alone:

here:

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It was very much playable before, I've cleared the Feared with it, on 0% phys mitigation. Then GGG decided to add another floor to the building, and made it unplayable on that new top floor.

and here

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of build in their game is supposed to beat it? Including ones with no natural access to raw phys mitigation?

and here

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But boss is nearly impossible because of phys oneshots.

phys is phys, chaos is chaos, and ele is ele.

You meant phys every single time. Because you just assumed, wrongly, that is what is killing you.


Further:

You seem to have 0 understanding of what this boss even does damage wise. I wouldnt be surprised if you have that same approach to all of them to be honest. "They all do phys damage, me die to phys damage" seems to be your only way to describe how you die.

If you actually had any understanding of the fights, you would have recognized why you are getting "one shot" and it has nothing to do with physical damage. Just in this fight above, nothing physical killed you. Your, severe, lack of mechanical skill on positioning for the beam with negative chaos res did.


In this one we see a similar panicky mistake on your end in the bottom left, where, not only did you take the lightning damage from the wave, multiple times. You also stood in the chaos convert swirling spears.



This again is not a

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Echothesis wrote:

But boss is nearly impossible because of phys oneshots.

This is a lack of mechanical skill issue on the players end on why they cant clear the boss.


Both these short clips of your game play highlight the actual problem with t17s from your perspective:
1) your lack of awareness of the bosses abilities
2) your positioning of your character
3) your chaos resistance being negative
4) your lack of understanding of what damage you even need to be mitigating.

Much like several users pointed out here and hinted at. There is a 0% chance GGG can, or should in my opinion, do anything to address "problems" like this, as this is entirely 100% your own fault

Sigh, not sure why I even keep responding to this... Of course I have "lack of awareness of the bosses abilities" and "your positioning of your character", because I DO NOT RUN T17 MAPS CASUALLY, how many times must I repeat? Or am I lying about this too, and secretly spam 100's of T17 I cannot complete?

In total, I've run each T17 boss like 4-5 times since 3.24, it was enough to understand they are way above my power level, and a complete character rebuild is needed to pass them casually.

Just what are you trying to tell at this point? That my current defenses are insufficient for this content? Yeah, thanks for the revelation.

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Echothesis wrote:

Just what are you trying to tell at this point? That my current defenses are insufficient for this content? Yeah, thanks for the revelation.

Thats everything that everyone has told you in the last 2-3 pages of this thread.

And if you WANT to not run those defenses that's your choice. But youll have to make up for that with mechanical skill.

Which you dont have.



As for a complete character rebuild?

With that char of yours just run her without the max life as extra ES mod.

get your chaos res, not negative. Preferably at 75.

Step in just a little bit LESS mechanics if you can.


And you can beat that boss 10/10 times.

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Echothesis wrote:

Sigh, not sure why I even keep responding to this... Of course I have "lack of awareness of the bosses abilities" and "your positioning of your character", because I DO NOT RUN T17 MAPS CASUALLY, how many times must I repeat? Or am I lying about this too, and secretly spam 100's of T17 I cannot complete?

In total, I've run each T17 boss like 4-5 times since 3.24, it was enough to understand they are way above my power level, and a complete character rebuild is needed to pass them casually.

Just what are you trying to tell at this point? That my current defenses are insufficient for this content? Yeah, thanks for the revelation.

You were told pages and pages of this now that hes proven you wrong with the most evidence I've ever seen accept the lost dude lol

Mash, you have a much higher pain tolerance than I do. Very revealing stuff, but still one question beckons: still sane, exile? :D

I can't imagine going through such lengths, but I respect the effort you put into that analysis.

@Echo: it's funny you keep bringing up games like Elden Ring in discussions, because if we learn anything from those games it is that when we're faced with an apparently unsurmountable wall of difficulty, the joy of overcoming it with sheer determination, preparation and practice is tumultous.

If I hit a wall in any game I take it as an opportunity to reflect and see where my errors may be, and work on improving on it.

Just as an example, I started playing Rust only a few months ago. I am no FPS player at all, and on official servers with high population I get smoked often enough. However, I do not let that deter me from my own goals and steadily improve on every aspect of the game. I accept where I am now and that other players are simply better, and with that knowledge I can become better myself. The alternative would be complacency and frustration, and I don't have it in me to be miserable over a video game.

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ArtCrusade wrote:

it's funny you keep bringing up games like Elden Ring in discussions, because if we learn anything from those games it is that when we're faced with an apparently unsurmountable wall of difficulty, the joy of overcoming it with sheer determination, preparation and practice is tumultous.

tumultous... Jesus Christ, that's good one. ER is not challenge, it's confusing mess. I will always be amazed how people can be proud of beating this game.

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Dxt44 wrote:

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ArtCrusade wrote:

it's funny you keep bringing up games like Elden Ring in discussions, because if we learn anything from those games it is that when we're faced with an apparently unsurmountable wall of difficulty, the joy of overcoming it with sheer determination, preparation and practice is tumultous.

tumultous... Jesus Christ, that's good one. ER is not challenge, it's confusing mess. I will always be amazed how people can be proud of beating this game.

Good for you, man. I'm one of those people who can actually be happy when they try (and fail repeatedly for hours on end) to beat a boss like Malenia using a Greatshield as a weapon and finally succeeding.

I'd feel sorry for you, but since I'm sure were our roles reversed you'd not be any nicer, so I'll save that for someone more deserving.