6000 hours of Melee Scientific Expert Tells You the Truth- Melee changes ACTUALLY 100% suck

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ArtCrusade wrote:

It's crazy how often people have complained about totems + panopticon being required to properly scale melee builds and now that this wish is fulfilled it's "omg why you nerf us" and sadly the thread doesn't go much deeper than the clickbait title.

Overall there's a lot of really good melee stuff going on. Shieldcrush is pretty high up in my list of potential starters thanks to the buffs to the skill itself, shield armour bases as well as impale changes.

The big question is how we'll compensate for physical taken as changes defence-wise, but that's every build's problem now.

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Kiss_Me_Quick wrote:

Mana flask suggestions on melee builds are so bad that for me it completely disqualifies them from being taken seriously.

Anyone who has played melee knows that:

• No way are you going to press a mana flask, which cannot be automated, every 5 seconds.
• No way are you okay with losing 10-15% of your DPS/passives worth of stats for again, supposedly "free".
• Enduring flask is not even enough for the bare minimum of 2 attacks per second (120 mana), meaning you still need leech.
• No way are you going to have a mana flask running even 20% of the boss fight, especially with the recent flask nerfs.

On top of that, I would rather have 5 totems than press a mana flask every 5 seconds.

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Mashgesture wrote:

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Kiss_Me_Quick wrote:

Mana flask suggestions on melee builds are so bad that for me it completely disqualifies them from being taken seriously.

Anyone who has played melee knows that:

• No way are you going to press a mana flask, which cannot be automated, every 5 seconds.
• No way are you okay with losing 10-15% of your DPS/passives worth of stats for again, supposedly "free".
• Enduring flask is not even enough for the bare minimum of 2 attacks per second (120 mana), meaning you still need leech.
• No way are you going to have a mana flask running even 20% of the boss fight, especially with the recent flask nerfs.

On top of that, I would rather have 5 totems than press a mana flask every 5 seconds.

You cant press an enduring mana flask with a build that has 2 aps? Enchant the mana flask for a boss fight by the way with harvest. Thats what you should be doing anyways.

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ArtCrusade wrote:

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Mashgesture wrote:

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Kiss_Me_Quick wrote:

Mana flask suggestions on melee builds are so bad that for me it completely disqualifies them from being taken seriously.

Anyone who has played melee knows that:

• No way are you going to press a mana flask, which cannot be automated, every 5 seconds.
• No way are you okay with losing 10-15% of your DPS/passives worth of stats for again, supposedly "free".
• Enduring flask is not even enough for the bare minimum of 2 attacks per second (120 mana), meaning you still need leech.
• No way are you going to have a mana flask running even 20% of the boss fight, especially with the recent flask nerfs.

On top of that, I would rather have 5 totems than press a mana flask every 5 seconds.

You cant press an enduring mana flask with a build that has 2 aps? Enchant the mana flask for a boss fight by the way with harvest. Thats what you should be doing anyways.

Physically impossible.

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AdRonZh3Ro wrote:

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Lonnie455Rich wrote:

Its 180% inc attack damage and 90% attack speed on zerker using rite of ruin with no investment on base tree. it takes like 16 points you will want to invest to get back to 90% attack speed. assuming you're not using bears girdle, which has the cost of a belt slot.
Then there are the movement speed losses.

The pobs i had been kicking around is just more damage to not spec into rage on the tree outside of 1 wheel. Then run clusters instead.

Crave the slaughter gives 1% attack speed for each rage, Rite of Ruin gives 50% increased rage effect, 30 base rage means 45% more attack damage and 45% inc attack speed, which is indeed a net zero. However, Battle Trance wheel alone is giving you 25,5% more attack damage and 25,5% inc attack speed for 4 points. For a Zerk, that's a no brainer. And you're casually side stepping that in getting that 90% inc attack speed, you'd also be getting more attack damage, not increased.

And not all builds are your builds. Mine's crit, impale and rage capped and that wheel is one of the best for me, right next to Disemboweling. My best 4 wheel gives me about 20mill dps, that one gives me almost double that. Even 5 useless travel nodes were converted into that wheel, which is just sweet(had to travel to Savage Skewering and Harvester of Foes, that is no longer the case). Every other node was either the same or got moved to a better spot for my build.

Further more, movement speed is nothing but fluff for a Zerk when you can leap slam 7 times a second.

As for mana, that didn't change a thing, i have enough free with banner being dropped and rearranged my auras with one more enlighten with the freed totem gem slots.

And i haven't even added war banner damage into my calcs.

So yeah, it was a buff. And i'm not even commenting how my armor stacker got a truck load of damage since it doesn't slot into totems anyway.

P.S.: I have more experience with melee than a lot of the "experts" waddling about here, and totem being gone is a monumental QoL, even for a net zero gain (which isn't the case).

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AdRonZh3Ro wrote:

Anyone who has played melee knows that:

• Fuel the Fight exists, works very well and is present in basically all large clusters.
• Phys leeched as mana exists in jewels. Even if you convert 95% of your 1 million dps, that 5% is still enough to net 2k mana with the viridian jewel that grants 0,4% mana leech.
• Until you get some damage, which takes a while when leveling, mana leech is useless.
• Banner reservation freed more than enough mana to fit the new costs.

The "experts" keep ignoring what still is there and was in all likelihood alredy used.

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AdRonZh3Ro wrote:

Anyone who has played melee knows that:

• Fuel the Fight exists, works very well and is present in basically all large clusters.
• Phys leeched as mana exists in jewels. Even if you convert 95% of your 1 million dps, that 5% is still enough to net 2k mana with the viridian jewel that grants 0,4% mana leech.
• Until you get some damage, which takes a while when leveling, mana leech is useless. After lv60-70, mana leech from even a fraction of % is enough, which can easily come from the sources above.
• Banner reservation freed more than enough mana to fit the new costs.
• Not all costs were doubled, and some were justifiably so.

The "experts" keep ignoring what still is there and was in all likelihood alredy and will keep getting used.