Counter-attack rework?
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Since there is reason to think Gladiators will be reworked, I'm thinking a counter-attack rework or trans versions will go along with it since they've been in a dead place for a long time. Could we even see a re-work of block? What do you guys think?
Last bumped on Jul 18, 2024, 8:44:45 PM
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Well, I think counter-attacks are forgotten and will not be touched. They haven't really had a plce in the game since Legion League, where they added heaps of flat damage to counter-attacks, making them actually decent to the point of people actually using some of them, especially in combination with Facebreaker. Surprise, surprise; the flat damage got removed the league after.
Block... Is too weak for the amount of investment it needs. I think block should be buffed across the board with a Gladiator buff on top. Will we see it? Maybe a Gladiator buff, but I doubt they will buff block for everyone. Sometimes, just sometimes, you should really consider adapting to the world, instead of demanding that the world adapts to you. Last edited by Phrazz on Jul 16, 2024, 10:42:33 AM
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reckoning and vengeance builds were and are still popular and strong. You just can't play them as a gladiator.
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" Are you crazy? Link me a single build video or PoB of one that does any damage within the last few leagues. Here's one I ran in Affliction that struggled to get 2.8m DPS. https://pobb.in/hek_suj7hym_ The removal of lab enchants really maimed Reckoning as well as this was pretty much the only way to improve it. |
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" Either we have totally different definitions of both "popular" and "strong", or you know something I don't. I link, video or example would be appriciated, which should be a problem. I've seen a couple of CI/Ephemeral Endge counter-attack builds capable of some semi-highend content, but not to the point of me calling them "strong", and especially not "popular". But I haven't been "in the game" for a month or two, so I may be in the blind here. Sometimes, just sometimes, you should really consider adapting to the world, instead of demanding that the world adapts to you.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFCCz00pK20
One from 3.22 that dealt over 10 million damage. 3.23 saw the ability to get 100% attack block, which then also had counter builds being very popular. I made one in both 3.22 and 3.23. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3475601 From 3.23^: 10s of millions. I'm sorry, I don't have my own because I didn't follow any PoBs for mine. And they are now deleted. perhaps "popular" was wrong to say....popular among counterattack users who already know how to use them. but anyone that loves counterattacks and knows their weaknesses can make a ridiculously powerful counterattack build still. AoE has never been better, and there are more ways to supplement the counterattacks too. Just know the expectations: it only functions well in very very juiced content. Last edited by jsuslak313 on Jul 16, 2024, 1:21:08 PM
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" This is wrong. The new quality on Reckoning is BETTER than the best reckoning helm enchant from before. 40% vs old 30% cd. AND it can be scaled with quality-increasing armors and things. Reckoning 23% q + 30% quality from Dialla's and + 30% from ashes is insane. The build you linked is absolute crap from the choice of skills, to the tree, to the gear. sorry to be so blunt. But that's why you couldn't push it. I also said in my very first post...the BETTER counterattack builds are actually on a Slayer. Although one I linked was a Gladiator that still put yours to shame. You aren't even using a 6L reckoning post-quality change...CD rate is EVERYTHING on Reckoning and here you are running with literally none. And not using anything from 3.23 either.... Last edited by jsuslak313 on Jul 16, 2024, 1:41:50 PM
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10M DPS for a build that has 30-50 div investment is not powerful...
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" It may not be efficient or economic, but investment doesn't count here in terms of power. Bird lover of Wraeclast
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" Based on the build you linked.....I'm not entirely sure we can continue this conversation. Plus...that 3.22 build I linked isn't even a GOOD version of a counterattack build. It was simply the first one I found. And its completely out of date for current PoE. You made the comment that counters have been "dead" a long time, I am here to show you they aren't. I don't think you truly ever knew how to make a counterattack build post-gladiator dual block nerf...and never tried to learn. Much of the counterattack meta changed completely with 3.23. It is cheaper and far stronger than it ever was. Except during the Gladiator hey-day which was years and years ago. But even then, the damage wasn't nearly as high as it is now. As for investment....different build types require different levels of investment. Nearly ALL "melee" builds require huge investment if you compare them to spells or bows. That is a known fact of PoE, not of counterattacks. BUT ACTUALLY counterattacks are one of the MOST efficient ways to get tons and tons of melee damage, along with huge amounts of defense and recovery. I'm not gonna spend my time tearing apart every choice in your build: the guides I linked do that for you. Spend a few minutes and read that 3.23 guide, currently obsolete now I know, but it will at least show you how to actually make a post 3.0 counterattack build. Next league, follow a Slayer Reckoning / Vengeance build guide and then come back here and tell me counterattacks are dead. Last edited by jsuslak313 on Jul 16, 2024, 1:52:00 PM
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