we have a winner

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DarthSki44 wrote:

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Scarletsword wrote:

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DarthSki44 wrote:

I won't be gaslit by this, seen it too many times. You don't have to like D4, that's cool, but what's the good in being intentionally dishonest about it?

When people around here say D4 Bad, I think to myself? "It is?", and then just laugh.

Lmao. Looks like someone needs to buy another 70$ horse.

Complaining about MTX pricing here is highly amusing. How's that $100 blue scorpion btw?

Difference being that PoE is f2p and D4 is 70 dollars out of the box

Honestly when it comes to the PoE community, D4 gets off pretty easily by just getting called bad compared to PoE/the PoE devs after seeing some of the comments lol.

Feel everyones reaction to new leagues went from 'What goodies did GGG bring to us' to 'What did GGG fuck up this time'. Mixed with the complaining of the first-half of the whole league and then getting told to commit suicide, I feel for the GGG devs. No wonder they don't interact with its community anymore.

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DarthSki44 wrote:

The PoE T17 meta...

We can always boil down all strats and all builds down to the "meta" - and it will always be used as a counter argument against diversity. The strive for efficiency and potential in a game where everyone seem so full of envy will make the most diverse game in the world look like a narrow hallway.

I'm having a BLAST this league, and I haven't really been touching T17 maps. And I haven't really been playing any meta builds either, yet I could link you a couple of mirrors and fat stacks of chaos and divines. Is my point here "earning money"? No, my point here is that PoE is so damn full of choices and strats, and if you just stop to smell the roses instead of "chasing the ultimate", it's very easy to have fun with what you're doing - if your body isn't filled with envy and "what if's".

That said, mistakes have been done this league. Huge mistakes. And T17 maps (in their current state) is one of those mistakes.

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Phrazz wrote:

That said, mistakes have been done this league. Huge mistakes. And T17 maps (in their current state) is one of those mistakes.

Yet here we are again. Its similar complaints that I've seen for years. GGG, and specifically Mark, know about this stuff. Its not new. I truly cannot understand it, and how we even got Necropolis at this point in PoE1's dev cycle.

Some other examples:

In genreal PoE is new player and casual hostile. They dont adjust, yet are concerned about it. I'm mystified.

The gulf between casual and elite is massive, yet they push the game further to the extreme. Why? We won't even go to the group vs solo debate because that is a joke.

Melee is STILL bad? My God at this point it's intentional right? Like this has to be personal for you Phrazz.

Also let's add more crafting complexity, that's seems like a good idea. We need more rng. Right? RIGHT?

I mean seriously when you step back and look, what in the actual fuck is going on? I've been mostly lurking lately, but wow. I'm not even going to mention how they branched PoE2 off, and there is no real "fixes" coming any longer.

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DarthSki44 wrote:

Also let's add more crafting complexity, that's seems like a good idea. We need more rng. Right? RIGHT?

What complexity are you even talking about? necropolis crafting is very deterministic and simple - you pick type of mods and tier, thats it. Where is the more rng and complexity in it?

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DarthSki44 wrote:

Melee is STILL bad? My God at this point it's intentional right? Like this has to be personal for you Phrazz.

It has been for years :P

The rest of your post? You're right, of course. Lots of mistakes, lots of contradictions. Lots of saying one thing, doing another. Despite all that, it's still the ARPG on the market that hits the most nails on the head when it comes to what I'm looking for in an ARPG.

I don't think I can ever go back to a game where if I want to play X skill, there's 1, maybe 2 real ways of doing that.

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Phrazz wrote:

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DarthSki44 wrote:

Melee is STILL bad? My God at this point it's intentional right? Like this has to be personal for you Phrazz.

It has been for years :P

The rest of your post? You're right, of course. Lots of mistakes, lots of contradictions. Lots of saying one thing, doing another. Despite all that, it's still the ARPG on the market that hits the most nails on the head when it comes to what I'm looking for in an ARPG.

I don't think I can ever go back to a game where if I want to play X skill, there's 1, maybe 2 real ways of doing that.

AYY YO phrazz I'm coming over cat jam with me yo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0Sp2M4Wi6o

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Nomancs wrote:

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DarthSki44 wrote:

Also let's add more crafting complexity, that's seems like a good idea. We need more rng. Right? RIGHT?

What complexity are you even talking about? necropolis crafting is very deterministic and simple - you pick type of mods and tier, thats it. Where is the more rng and complexity in it?

Lol sure after they completely revamped the entire mechanic because of how utterly terrible it was at release.

That was my entire point. How in the fuck does the Necropolis development discussion with the team, lead to what was released? It's insanely tone deaf. It was an rng nightmare for before that "what we are working on post" and subsequent patches (when the league was mostly abandoned already anyway)

Lol cmon man I get you love PoE but holy this league was bad.

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DarthSki44 wrote:

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Nomancs wrote:

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DarthSki44 wrote:

Also let's add more crafting complexity, that's seems like a good idea. We need more rng. Right? RIGHT?

What complexity are you even talking about? necropolis crafting is very deterministic and simple - you pick type of mods and tier, thats it. Where is the more rng and complexity in it?

Lol sure after they completely revamped the entire mechanic because of how utterly terrible it was at release.

That was my entire point. How in the fuck does the Necropolis development discussion with the team, lead to what was released? It's insanely tone deaf. It was an rng nightmare for before that "what we are working on post" and subsequent patches (when the league was mostly abandoned already anyway)

Lol cmon man I get you love PoE but holy this league was bad.

They didn't revamped it, what are you talking about? You seems to be looking for any reason to shit on PoE despite still playing it.

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Phrazz wrote:

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DarthSki44 wrote:

Melee is STILL bad? My God at this point it's intentional right? Like this has to be personal for you Phrazz.

It has been for years :P

The rest of your post? You're right, of course. Lots of mistakes, lots of contradictions. Lots of saying one thing, doing another. Despite all that, it's still the ARPG on the market that hits the most nails on the head when it comes to what I'm looking for in an ARPG.

I don't think I can ever go back to a game where if I want to play X skill, there's 1, maybe 2 real ways of doing that.

Mostly agreed, at least on perspective. PoE isn't a "bad" game, but seriously they have alienated their fair share of players, and I don't know why exactly, "Vision Memes" aside.

All those Mark is the "lisan al gaib" jokes were not as funny when Necropolis launched under his direction. Oops.