Mark "Neon" is a based gigachad god

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Draegnarrr wrote:

That isn't a rebuttal, your argument is i'd rather have worse than better.

no? this doesnt make any sense almost as if you just decided to say the most random thing wich has nothing to do with my thread

You literally setup an instantaneous strawman about how PoE is the perfect game and we should be lucky to be in its presence which has absolutely nothing to do with what was said, it isn't a rebuttal its shouting ITS PERFECT at everyone who mentions anything else.

I don't even disagree with it, we are lucky. PoE is a magnificent game, but they could and should still improve melee nor will it take them long when they finally settle on what to do (ie devote the time to looking at it not something else) those two statements don't conflict.

but don't let me get in the way of your ITS PERFECT just keep shouting it just do it without the 10% of people play melee reference which is heavily compromised garbage like most PoE related stats used on the forums. Neon shouldn't use it and neither should anyone else just typing it immediately makes whatever point is attempted to be made worse.

"Deal with it" is honestly superior in every way.

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Draegnarrr wrote:

You literally setup an instantaneous strawman about how PoE is the perfect game and we should be lucky to be in its presence

exactly my point? you should consider yourself lucky have you not seen the other arpg games and other companies how they have destroyed their game? becuz with each and every year they are getting worse not better unlike it is with GGG again this could turned into diablo 4 but it didnt THANK GOD you just have no idea how lucky we are

You love melee? Then why you constantly compare it to other types of builds and constantly complain that X is better?
If you love melee then YOU PLAY MELEE and you dont give a fuck that you could be better if you would play something else.
Whether the build costs 20 divines to "bee viable" or 50 divines changes NOTHING in gameplay. Melee wont suddenly become more fun if the gearing would be cheaper. It will be THE SAME. So if you are not playing it already - you wont play it after change either. If you are not playing it already it means the only way you would play it is if it becomes next "meta" skill and one of the strongest thing in the game.
Currently I see three reasons why someone would not play melee:
- you cannot afford it (either you dont know how to make money or you are too lazy)
- you dont like melee
- you are meta slave and play only "the best build", you refuse to play anything if "something is better".

Which one are you? Because to me it looks like you are closes to the third otpion becuase you should know how to make decent amount of money after playing for so long

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Aynix wrote:

Legion league WAS NOT melee league. It was Cyclone league. It was literally the only melee build that was popular back then, just like Boneshatter is semi-popular nowadays. Imo, melee was in way worse place back in Legion than it currently is.

Nah, there were other skills that were popular too. Me and my friends all played Bladestorm back then (I think it was introduced in Legion) and it was pretty strong.

Also, and I might be wrong here, but wasn't it Legion League where they buffed the flat damage on a lot of melee skills to the point where even counter-attack skills were playable with Facebreakers?

Anyhow, the best melee times were back when they introduced Shaper/Elder and "stat sticks" were the META. Sure, it helped physical spells more, but...

Affliction was better league than Legion for melee, people are just so stuck in "melee bad" mindset they wont even bother testing. Charms were insane not just power but also QoL for melee builds. For example, you could reach bigger AoE than in Legion times.

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BaumisMagicalWorld wrote:

Nah, they overhauled animations, among many other things.

Riposte (3.7.0)
Now deals base damage equal to, and has an added damage effectiveness of, 135% at gem level 1 (from 100%), up to 186% at gem level 20 (from 138%).
Now adds 6 to 10 physical damage to attacks at gem level 1, up to 169 to 254 at gem level 20.

It was Legion where they added a bunch of flat damage to the point where A LOT of melee skills were playable. Counter-attacks + facebreaker were absolutely a thing. Most people where of course playing Cyclone, so it will of course, somehow, be used against people claiming melee was good back then.

169-254...

Now it has 3-85 (Sure, it has more effectiveness of added damage, but nowhere NEAR the point of usefulness). The result? No one is using it - as so many other melee skills. But melee "is fine".

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BaumisMagicalWorld wrote:

Yeah, you are right. I forgot about that. Should have read up on the Wiki.

Now that you mention it, I recall that I enjoyed leveling with Cleave again because it had better damage scaling. And then I stuck with it because it was the OG skill for my first iteration of said build many leagues before it. Back then it was a budget Uber Lab farmer with 2x Ichimonji and Bringer of Rain as I recall.

I also remember the Bringer of Rain + Wings of Entropy + Acrobatics build back in the days, max block/spell block, max acrobatics, just sexy :P

So, how do you like the league made by "gigachad god" Neon, eh?
It sure is great league. Best one we had so far, eh?

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Aynix wrote:

So, how do you like the league made by "gigachad god" Neon, eh?
It sure is great league. Best one we had so far, eh?

its amazing advertisement for other games like like LE or TL;I.
and rly good insight about poe 2 :)