Go ask support to count them if you're so concerned with the validity of it :)
Dude you shouldn't be playing PoE if you have a super power like that! You can basically accomplish ANYTHING!
To acquire 19000 additional hours in the span of, at most, 4300 hours of total time while also having the game uninstalled for a large portion of that is astounding!
Your weeks/months long uninstall campaign has killed any credibility your posts ever carried with me. You proceeded to reinstall and come back during the league that literally FEATURED one of your biggest complaints with the game: unique ascendancy-only skills, lmao.
But I digress, not worth my time. Unlike you...I don't have magical time manipulation powers in this life. Only in my isekai OP form. Also, for the record, Zizaran who is arguably one of the most prolific and regular PoE streamers only has around 25000 hours. And thats with his literal livelihood dependent on playing the game as much as possible.
Path of exile did not originate and does not exclusively launch from (Steam)
Now that we've discovered the missing information lets get back to the topic thanks! If you have any more questions please directly message support you have my permission to ask for my hours!
Have a nice day!
______________________________
As the OP appreciates data i thought they would also appreciate the info.
I don't like where mirrors are right now and they don't need to become something i regularly obtain but the way they are currently used is a bit low-brow for my tastes.
Innocence forgives you
Last edited by SilentSymphony#3358 on Feb 7, 2024, 4:14:44 PM
I reaaaally want to pick through Snorkle_uk comments. Those are juicy. I was reading one on page two and I was laughing so hard.
... but first, I have to ask. I have to confirm something.
Snorkle_uk, are you trolling? who are these two messages for? Me? Someone else? Knights (in general)? I just need this bit of clarification.
"
Snorkle_uk wrote:
Spoiler
i dont play in parties with mf cullers etc, ive owned many mirrors, mirrored many items. some of the richest legit players in the game are not mfing, theyre barely even playing the game. they can make multiple mirrors in the first few days of a league without even running a single map.
last time i bought actual mirrors i bought i think 3 of them in the space of about 6 weeks by trading for items and fossils with chaos, crafting them in bulk, selling them and then reinvesting a small amount of that profit in more items and fossils. i was playing the game from hideout to hideout, i didnt really do anything in an actual zone that made any wealth.
this was in standard, im a middle class player. the real chad players could make 3 mirrors like that by day 3 of a league start without even finishing the campaign.
i fundamentally disagree or fail to see any point/relevance in almost everything the op is saying.
"
Snorkle_uk wrote:
Spoiler
i have very strong social democratic views when it comes to real world economies but within a game like this im not that swayed by ideas of morality and righteousness, its just a game. im not entirely opposed to them, we shouldnt be having scammers or cheats, peoples time and investment should be valued, people care a lot about their characters and items, im all for that and respecting it.
but i also think we just start every league from 0, you just go in with your knowledge, skills, social connections and you make stuff happen. some people consistently make things happen, some never do.
you can say simply playing the game is the least rewarding, but if you take most of those simple players who inefficiently farm inefficient content and tell them to go craft for profit they would make even less progress than they do from simply playing. if you told them to flip items they couldnt rly do that either. some people are just kind of useless, bless them, and its fine man its just a game, if theyre happy doing what theyre doing power to them.
if they want to become effective its all there, all the info, the strats, the builds. theres a wealth of people out there endlessly sharing all their knowledge through guides and videos who would love for these people to tune in and learn how to succeed.
i feel like theres a section within that group tho who actively reject the information because they hate "streamers and youtubers". omg they have a job and make a living and money is evil so all their actions must be evil and streamers are popular and we hate popular people because popular people are evil because i watched a movie and the popular kid bullied the ugly kid who had no friends so all popular people must be horrible bullies who hate people like me and bully us so content creators on youtube are horrible evil terrible bully people and i hate them and have some huge moral highground over them by being stubbornly terrible at the game because being terrible is morally correct and good and being good at the game is evil and wrong!
and they just fester in their toxic, deluded, hateful world of judging other people and feeling hard done by, refusing to ever take responsibility for their own inability to grow, learn, make friends in the game, achieve their goals.
you just cant help people like that, they refuse to learn and change so they will always be bad at everything they do, it doesnt matter if its farming maps or flipping gumballs theyre just doomed to fall behind while other people with positive, open minds who are willing to learn and find a positive place within the games social spheres succeed. communities and knowledge sharing form around guilds, streams, discords, if our natural impulse is to reject and attack these communities out of some sense of vulnerability then were digging our own ruts.
social mobility in poe is actually incredibly high, but we have to be willing to get out of our little bunkers and move. if we dont change our situation wont change. i dunno, my opinion is that the game is in a pretty good place these days. you can map, boss rush, do side content like delve/essence/alva/blight, you can craft, flip items, you could legitimately do any of these things and make 100s of divines in a league if you really commit to it. i think thats amazing for a game to have such a diverse, vibrant ecosystem.
I-CANT! 🤦♂️🤣
GGG / mods, please! for the love of God and all that it is holy! PLEASE don't delete it! 🤣🤣🤣
Last edited by BlackMarshes212#1072 on Feb 7, 2024, 8:49:22 PM
Go ask support to count them if you're so concerned with the validity of it :)
Dude you shouldn't be playing PoE if you have a super power like that! You can basically accomplish ANYTHING!
To acquire 19000 additional hours in the span of, at most, 4300 hours of total time while also having the game uninstalled for a large portion of that is astounding!
Your weeks/months long uninstall campaign has killed any credibility your posts ever carried with me. You proceeded to reinstall and come back during the league that literally FEATURED one of your biggest complaints with the game: unique ascendancy-only skills, lmao.
But I digress, not worth my time. Unlike you...I don't have magical time manipulation powers in this life. Only in my isekai OP form. Also, for the record, Zizaran who is arguably one of the most prolific and regular PoE streamers only has around 25000 hours. And thats with his literal livelihood dependent on playing the game as much as possible.
Path of exile did not originate and does not exclusively launch from (Steam)
Now that we've discovered the missing information lets get back to the topic thanks! If you have any more questions please directly message support you have my permission to ask for my hours!
Have a nice day!
______________________________
As the OP appreciates data i thought they would also appreciate the info.
I don't like where mirrors are right now and they don't need to become something i regularly obtain but the way they are currently used is a bit low-brow for my tastes.
If you played Path of Exile since the open beta which started January 2013 you would have played an average of 7.5 hours every single day for the past 11 years. That is a bogus number if I have ever seen one my man
I don't even know why you have to make this claim. Are you trying to state some seniority which would exert authority?
Even if we'd take you at face value and just accept the "trust me bro" statement you'd make an argument to the contrary.. playing a lot doesn't mean playing efficiently. Also: people who own a lot of mirrors don't just 'find' them, they trade for them. You'll acquire a lot more wealth playing the market than running maps.
My guess is you claimed 30k hours as a throwaway not expecting anyone to second guess it. But that's just a game theory
The opposite of knowledge is not illiteracy, but the illusion of knowledge.
I reaaaally want to pick through Snorkle_uk comments. Those are juicy. I was reading one on page two and I was laughing so hard.
... but first, I have to ask. I have to confirm something.
Snorkle_uk, are you trolling? who are these two messages for? Me? Someone else? Knights (in general)? I just need this bit of clarification.
"
Snorkle_uk wrote:
Spoiler
i dont play in parties with mf cullers etc, ive owned many mirrors, mirrored many items. some of the richest legit players in the game are not mfing, theyre barely even playing the game. they can make multiple mirrors in the first few days of a league without even running a single map.
last time i bought actual mirrors i bought i think 3 of them in the space of about 6 weeks by trading for items and fossils with chaos, crafting them in bulk, selling them and then reinvesting a small amount of that profit in more items and fossils. i was playing the game from hideout to hideout, i didnt really do anything in an actual zone that made any wealth.
this was in standard, im a middle class player. the real chad players could make 3 mirrors like that by day 3 of a league start without even finishing the campaign.
i fundamentally disagree or fail to see any point/relevance in almost everything the op is saying.
"
Snorkle_uk wrote:
Spoiler
i have very strong social democratic views when it comes to real world economies but within a game like this im not that swayed by ideas of morality and righteousness, its just a game. im not entirely opposed to them, we shouldnt be having scammers or cheats, peoples time and investment should be valued, people care a lot about their characters and items, im all for that and respecting it.
but i also think we just start every league from 0, you just go in with your knowledge, skills, social connections and you make stuff happen. some people consistently make things happen, some never do.
you can say simply playing the game is the least rewarding, but if you take most of those simple players who inefficiently farm inefficient content and tell them to go craft for profit they would make even less progress than they do from simply playing. if you told them to flip items they couldnt rly do that either. some people are just kind of useless, bless them, and its fine man its just a game, if theyre happy doing what theyre doing power to them.
if they want to become effective its all there, all the info, the strats, the builds. theres a wealth of people out there endlessly sharing all their knowledge through guides and videos who would love for these people to tune in and learn how to succeed.
i feel like theres a section within that group tho who actively reject the information because they hate "streamers and youtubers". omg they have a job and make a living and money is evil so all their actions must be evil and streamers are popular and we hate popular people because popular people are evil because i watched a movie and the popular kid bullied the ugly kid who had no friends so all popular people must be horrible bullies who hate people like me and bully us so content creators on youtube are horrible evil terrible bully people and i hate them and have some huge moral highground over them by being stubbornly terrible at the game because being terrible is morally correct and good and being good at the game is evil and wrong!
and they just fester in their toxic, deluded, hateful world of judging other people and feeling hard done by, refusing to ever take responsibility for their own inability to grow, learn, make friends in the game, achieve their goals.
you just cant help people like that, they refuse to learn and change so they will always be bad at everything they do, it doesnt matter if its farming maps or flipping gumballs theyre just doomed to fall behind while other people with positive, open minds who are willing to learn and find a positive place within the games social spheres succeed. communities and knowledge sharing form around guilds, streams, discords, if our natural impulse is to reject and attack these communities out of some sense of vulnerability then were digging our own ruts.
social mobility in poe is actually incredibly high, but we have to be willing to get out of our little bunkers and move. if we dont change our situation wont change. i dunno, my opinion is that the game is in a pretty good place these days. you can map, boss rush, do side content like delve/essence/alva/blight, you can craft, flip items, you could legitimately do any of these things and make 100s of divines in a league if you really commit to it. i think thats amazing for a game to have such a diverse, vibrant ecosystem.
I-CANT! 🤦♂️🤣
GGG / mods, please! for the love of God and all that it is holy! PLEASE don't delete it! 🤣🤣🤣
I went ahead and searched the thread for any specific quote for this and came up with nothing.
Spoiler
Where are you referring to when you say "this is not the wildest comment..."?
Are you going to address the comment or ... just call it "wild" and not really provide any discussion around it?
Appreciate where you can direct us to in the thread, as again, I searched and never saw this ever said by anyone.
As for Snorkle_UK responses, you can address the points that were made by them instead of violating the forums code of conduct by responding with emoji's, rather than continuing any adult conversation.
Thank you!
Mash the clean
Last edited by Mashgesture#2912 on Feb 7, 2024, 9:07:43 PM
I reaaaally want to pick through Snorkle_uk comments. Those are juicy. I was reading one on page two and I was laughing so hard.
... but first, I have to ask. I have to confirm something.
Snorkle_uk, are you trolling? who are these two messages for? Me? Someone else? Knights (in general)? I just need this bit of clarification.
"
Snorkle_uk wrote:
Spoiler
i dont play in parties with mf cullers etc, ive owned many mirrors, mirrored many items. some of the richest legit players in the game are not mfing, theyre barely even playing the game. they can make multiple mirrors in the first few days of a league without even running a single map.
last time i bought actual mirrors i bought i think 3 of them in the space of about 6 weeks by trading for items and fossils with chaos, crafting them in bulk, selling them and then reinvesting a small amount of that profit in more items and fossils. i was playing the game from hideout to hideout, i didnt really do anything in an actual zone that made any wealth.
this was in standard, im a middle class player. the real chad players could make 3 mirrors like that by day 3 of a league start without even finishing the campaign.
i fundamentally disagree or fail to see any point/relevance in almost everything the op is saying.
"
Snorkle_uk wrote:
Spoiler
i have very strong social democratic views when it comes to real world economies but within a game like this im not that swayed by ideas of morality and righteousness, its just a game. im not entirely opposed to them, we shouldnt be having scammers or cheats, peoples time and investment should be valued, people care a lot about their characters and items, im all for that and respecting it.
but i also think we just start every league from 0, you just go in with your knowledge, skills, social connections and you make stuff happen. some people consistently make things happen, some never do.
you can say simply playing the game is the least rewarding, but if you take most of those simple players who inefficiently farm inefficient content and tell them to go craft for profit they would make even less progress than they do from simply playing. if you told them to flip items they couldnt rly do that either. some people are just kind of useless, bless them, and its fine man its just a game, if theyre happy doing what theyre doing power to them.
if they want to become effective its all there, all the info, the strats, the builds. theres a wealth of people out there endlessly sharing all their knowledge through guides and videos who would love for these people to tune in and learn how to succeed.
i feel like theres a section within that group tho who actively reject the information because they hate "streamers and youtubers". omg they have a job and make a living and money is evil so all their actions must be evil and streamers are popular and we hate popular people because popular people are evil because i watched a movie and the popular kid bullied the ugly kid who had no friends so all popular people must be horrible bullies who hate people like me and bully us so content creators on youtube are horrible evil terrible bully people and i hate them and have some huge moral highground over them by being stubbornly terrible at the game because being terrible is morally correct and good and being good at the game is evil and wrong!
and they just fester in their toxic, deluded, hateful world of judging other people and feeling hard done by, refusing to ever take responsibility for their own inability to grow, learn, make friends in the game, achieve their goals.
you just cant help people like that, they refuse to learn and change so they will always be bad at everything they do, it doesnt matter if its farming maps or flipping gumballs theyre just doomed to fall behind while other people with positive, open minds who are willing to learn and find a positive place within the games social spheres succeed. communities and knowledge sharing form around guilds, streams, discords, if our natural impulse is to reject and attack these communities out of some sense of vulnerability then were digging our own ruts.
social mobility in poe is actually incredibly high, but we have to be willing to get out of our little bunkers and move. if we dont change our situation wont change. i dunno, my opinion is that the game is in a pretty good place these days. you can map, boss rush, do side content like delve/essence/alva/blight, you can craft, flip items, you could legitimately do any of these things and make 100s of divines in a league if you really commit to it. i think thats amazing for a game to have such a diverse, vibrant ecosystem.
I-CANT! 🤦♂️🤣
GGG / mods, please! for the love of God and all that it is holy! PLEASE don't delete it! 🤣🤣🤣
I went ahead and searched the thread for any specific quote for this and came up with nothing.
Spoiler
Where are you referring to when you say "this is not the wildest comment..."?
Are you going to address the comment or ... just call it "wild" and not really provide any discussion around it?
Appreciate where you can direct us to in the thread, as again, I searched and never saw this ever said by anyone.
As for Snorkle_UK responses, you can address the points that were made by them instead of violating the forums code of conduct by responding with emoji's, rather than continuing any adult conversation.
Thank you!
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Jesus Christ! Can you calm down and let Snorkle_UK answer? I'm having fun with it regardless of who he addressed it to. He obviously had fun writing it. Just... You know... stand back and let us have fun with it?
Oh, your search thing... sure. I will let you know after chatting a bit with Snorkle. Sorry, but I want to give priority to something that made me laugh. Feel free to read up on some replies, some are quite funny. I'm sure you can find it on your own and have fun with the post at the same time. Or, just wait. Either way. Your choice. VOID. Hardpass on rage bait.
Last edited by BlackMarshes212#1072 on Feb 7, 2024, 9:37:37 PM
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Jesus Christ! Can you calm down and let Snorkle_UK answer? I'm having fun with it regardless of who he addressed it to. He obviously had fun writing it. Just... You know... stand back and let us have fun with it?
Oh, your search thing... sure. I will let you know after chatting a bit with Snorkle. Sorry, but I want to give priority to something that made me laugh. Feel free to read up on some replies, some are quite funny. I'm sure you can find it on your own and have fun with the post at the same time. Or, just wait. Either way. Your choice.
Unfortunately for you this is a public forum, users can comment when and how they want so long as it does not violate any forum conduct. If you would like to specifically reply to someone about something not said here but in private messages there is a DM feature.
Misquoting someone as well as antagonizing others is probably not a good way to get anyone to take you seriously. Or have anyone on the mod team show you any kind of mercy.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Jesus Christ! Can you calm down and let Snorkle_UK answer? I'm having fun with it regardless of who he addressed it to. He obviously had fun writing it. Just... You know... stand back and let us have fun with it?
Oh, your search thing... sure. I will let you know after chatting a bit with Snorkle. Sorry, but I want to give priority to something that made me laugh. Feel free to read up on some replies, some are quite funny. I'm sure you can find it on your own and have fun with the post at the same time. Or, just wait. Either way. Your choice.
Unfortunately for you this is a public forum, users can comment when and how they want so long as it does not violate any forum conduct. If you would like to specifically reply to someone about something not said here but in private messages there is a DM feature.
Misquoting someone as well as antagonizing others is probably not a good way to get anyone to take you seriously. Or have anyone on the mod team show you any kind of mercy.
But you do you. It was nice knowing you!
What are you talking about? How do you reconcile YOU having freedom of speech, while you are actively trying hard to remove my freedom of speech? Doesn't even make sense!
He wrote a lot of funny things. I found them funny. You are the one saying laughter is antagonism. It isn't. He had fun writing his reply, I had fun reading it. So what? Calm down and stop being offended for someone one else for a reason that exist only in your head.
As for my promise to look something up, consider it void. I'm not engaging with this rage bait any more. So, SS exile!
Last edited by BlackMarshes212#1072 on Feb 7, 2024, 9:38:52 PM
The reason I brought up my experience, and the trickle-down description is because it makes your entire point of view moot and wrong.
You are clearly NOT talking about the middle tier items I am, otherwise you would recognize that an item you can get for 5 div now, might be 100 divine if we didn't have the high end crafters.
The items on the market YOU want to buy exist because there are players attempting to craft mirror items. This is FACT. We all know that items of any caliber greater than "trash" are not DROPPED but created. And the average crafter is not sitting there crafting mid-gear to sell...maybe SOME do, but certainly not enough to flood the market with powerful sub-10, 20, 50 divine crafts.
Your interpretation of mf, crafting, and "mirror-tier" is just foundationally flawed. It is easy to blame the "specter/demon known as mf" for your own shortcomings within the game. I am merely pointing out that your experience with the game is overall EASIER and available at many different paces BECAUSE of the things you hate so very very much and want to vilify.
Indeed I had a serious "shortcoming", in attempting to progress all the way into top tier items by merely playing the game more, not by flipping or watching 10+ live search browser tabs like a hawk. Then I discovered there is a treshold in self-farming. At some point, you have to get MF on your items (which may mean serious shortcoming for self-made noob build and items), to keep progressing with your loot, even if just for farming currency to buy "10, 20, 50 divine" items within a reasonable amount of time (in Standard, not in loot fountain like Affliction).
If you cannot stand delirium for its oppressing visual effects and depressing music, its even worse for you, as deli is must-have juice component.
Currently I can run all content in the game except ubers and few other bosses (Lycia and exarch with their invulnerability + damage cascade phases) effortlessly, but what's the point? Without farming strategy you maybe find 1 div every 10 maps. And farming strategies (that I know of) include either bulk selling from TFT for meager profit, or at least some investment in crafting just like you said.
"
jsuslak313 wrote:
Also, I'll let you in on a little "crafting" secret. The full-time crafters spend a LOT of time in their Hideout NOT mapping, NOT gathering currency. So how do they actually fund their crafts? By flipping every single item that doesn't turn out correctly. Whether its 1 divine, 10 divine, 50 divines, 100 divines, ANYTHING cheaper than a mirror gets put into the market and at a VERY rapid pace. It is ridiculous to think top end crafters just sit there waiting for ONLY the perfect items to sell...while relying on what? They just TRASH the multi-divine items they create?
Yes, in new league everyone has to start his wealth going from somewhere, and sell cheaper crafts too, no need to latch into words. Otherwise it is same thing I said before, no? Playing game is for noobs, smart people sit in hideout all their gaming time and flip things. This is not what I expected to do when came into poe.
i fundamentally disagree or fail to see any point/relevance in almost everything the op is saying.
that was the only thing i said that was in regards to you marshes, the rest was an ongoing discussion with the other people discussing :D
its fine btw i laughed too.
"
BlackMarshes212 wrote:
Let's change it up... Divine orbs now:
Now grab that image of player retention and place it on top of a price-over-time graph. That's not how it works, but it sure drives the point home.
Here are the paradoxes of this graph:
1. As demand decreases / inventory increases, prices INCREASE 🤪
-- Law of supply and demand says that with a decrease in demand / increase in inventory, the price should DECREASE. --
its not really a paradox because you are pricing the divine in chaos orbs which are also a supply/demand shifting asset and some of the presumptions might not actually be true.
on day one of the league most journeyman players have 2 chaos orbs on hand they have found while levelling through the campaign. on day 20 of the league the same players have 2000 chaos orbs on hand and are making + spending around 1000 chaos orbs per day consistently. you cant price a divine at 250c on day 1 of a league because virtually no one has 250c, day 20 of the league most journeyman endgame farmers will have made 250c from trades in the last 2 hours. youre looking at the supply/demand of the divine but you should be looking at the supply/demand of the chaos orb youre using to price it in.
you also presume the demand decreases as the player base decreases, but is that accurate? on day 1 a gg item might be worth 3 divines because virtually no one has more than that on hand, even at 3 someone might have to borrow 1 from a guildy to make that early purchase.
day 20 of the league gg items for the same guy are worth 300 divines. so there is 100x more demand for divines coming from that 1 player.
people intentionally league start with a build they can gear virtually self found with maybe a couple of chaos on some common uniques or a resist ring to balance themselves in maps. week 2 and 3 these people are then rerolling into strong endgame builds that require many divines to gear.
youre presuming demand decreases but theres good reason to propose it might actually be increasing over the first month.
player retention stats can also be misleading. if you, echo and myself all play the league chances are on the opening weekend we all start day 1 minute 1 of the league, we also then all play on day 2 and 3. but as the weeks go on maybe only you play on a monday, i play on tuesday and thursday, echo plays on the weekend friday and saturday you play on sunday. now those graphs will tell you 3 players were playing on the opening day and now only 1 player is playing. but thats not actually true 3 players are playing the game the whole time, we just dont play at the same time the way we did on the opening weekend.
leagues dont really lose their playerbase in the way people studying concurrency graphs often think when looking at those curves.
